“It’s for your safety.”

[danikoski]

This policy just irks me. First, it isn't a policy really, it's a free for all because no one seems to have written a standard procedure. Secondly, Disney knows how most people tour. I mean most tour guide books or sites tell you to take a mid-afternoon break. Now Disney is throwing a wrench in that scenario, which, IMO is pretty idiotic. Thirdly, this does nothing to increase security. I once set through a lecture about security at Amsterdam airport. One of the key aspects to it are plain clothes security personnel who wander the airport. They look for people acting oddly or situations that seem out of place. Disney should maybe up that kind of policy versus this one.

As a woman who travels alone for work a lot, I would absolutely be uncomfortable with a stranger, especially a male, just pounding on my door and demanding to be let in. And if I happen to be with my family and I've just put my baby down for a nap and someone starts incessantly pounding on the door for this absolutely pointless policy, that person on the other side of the door, along with hotel management, better be prepared for an angry mama.

 

[AngiTN]

Is it my imagination or do the most egregious reports seem to be coming from the deluxe and DVC resorts? I am not doubting the reports, but just wondering why I seem to be reading more of them from GF or WL than All Star or Pop? I just returned from an 11 day stay at Pop and my sign was up until noon each day, and not one knock on the door. Just daily housekeeping like normal. Is there something different in how the policies are being applied or do you think it has something to do with proximity to the parks? I would think that angering the guests of their most expensive resorts would be a big issue.

There's your difference. You got daily housekeeping. That was the check. It's only when someone is declining housekeeping or otherwise telling the housekeepers they don't want them to enter that the secondary check happens.

I'm wondering if something about verbally telling housekeeping you're going to be in there is triggering the alert to security since two people on here (the OP and one other) are reporting that security came shortly after they told housekeeping they were going to be in there and not to come in.

Clearly that is the case. It is where the problem is occurring too. Thankfully, it's easily fixed too. But when the housekeeper notes they won't be cleaning X room, someone is getting an alert they need to do a security check on X room. There isn't a place in said system to say why there was no housekeeping (like a nap, sick guest, etc), just no housekeeping. So the security guy heads up to do his check. Just adding a note to why will help a lot.

 

[AngiTN]

All of this, a hundred times. The fact that anyone is going around spouting off about hotel rights and how “they will get in” like some Little Napoleon and telling women that they need to calm down, is borderline offensive. This is the age of #metoo, and we’ll see how many rights the hotel has when women start speaking up - AS THEY SHOULD! - and objecting to this kind of behavior.

NORMALIZING these actions is exactly what leads to the erosion of not only civilized interactions but actual constitutional rights. Giving up my sense of personal security in order to allow a facade of hotel security? Yeah, that makes a looooot of sense...

As a single woman who will be doing my first solo trip later this year, this would absolutely be something that would make me uncomfortable and I think it's a very valid concern. How do I know if the brute showing up and demanding to come into my room is actually with Disney? It's kind of mind boggling that Disney decided this was a good idea in the age of the "me too" movement. Makes them seem very out of touch with society.

I have two teenage daughters. This is the very first thing that pops into my mind in this situation. Sexual predators are not always stupid. Many are very smart and can use this sort of stuff to their advantage.

i think it's valid for a woman to be cautious about who they let in their room. It's easy to get any kind of fake ID and the more this is publicized, any creep can see that people at Disney will open their hotel room doors when a man bangs on it long enough. And anyone can get on Disney property. You are allowed to visit a resort, have dinner. Or take a bus from Disney Springs to a resort. Oh, and what about Disney Springs?? Still no security there.

I think female WDW Guests should have the absolute right to request a female WDW Secutiry CM do their "Security Check" if a male WDW Security CM comes a knocking!

A women alone in a Resort room-it is just common sense not to send a man in there in today's "climate".

i think it's valid for a woman to be cautious about who they let in their room. It's easy to get any kind of fake ID and the more this is publicized, any creep can see that people at Disney will open their hotel room doors when a man bangs on it long enough. And anyone can get on Disney property. You are allowed to visit a resort, have dinner. Or take a bus from Disney Springs to a resort. Oh, and what about Disney Springs?? Still no security there.

What you all are presenting could have been happening all along, even without this change. The fact that there aren't men roaming Disney resorts attacking women tells me this is simply not something to worry myself about. Not in the past and not now. This new policy has no bearing on it. There are issues with the policy and it disturbing people resting but people (mainly women seems to be of concern here) is just not one. I think trying to wrap this up with #metoo is really ridiculous.

Simple solution, let housekeeping come in to make your darn bed each day. Problem solved. No?

How did them being abrasive about doing a security check turn into a concern about sexual assault?
Not saying they can’t be polite about having to check someone’s room but I think you’re being quick to bring the issue of sexual harassment/assault into this.

Wow talk about out of touch. Security measures that Disney is taking turning into sexual assault. If this turns into something where people are entering Disney resorts to pose as employees so they can sexually assault people then Disney needs to hire an armed security force to patrol their property.
I started traveling internationally when I was 19. I lived in a developing country for two years. Yes I needed to be careful but I can’t believe how scared everyone is now.
I have a daughter too and I’ll teach her to be smart but I’m not going to teach her to be scared of everything.
You know what makes me feel like people are out of touch? When my six year old has to learn at school how to hide under her desk in case of an intruder, when school shootings become the norm, and then when establishments increase security measures and people complain about it.

Agreed

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

We are going to be at Pop next Thursday. My MIL is staying in her own room, however, I have requested her to have connecting room to my BIL's family. Is the front desk explaining this procedure to everyone when they check in?

 

[AngiTN]

You do realize all your link explains is what law enforcement can do.

I beg to differ.

A. Hotels and the Fourth Amendment
In general, the Fourth Amendment “requires police officers to obtain a warrant before searching or seizing persons, houses, papers, and effects.”19 Courts have held that “this constitutional protection also applies to hotel rooms.”20 However, before being able to suppress the results of an illegal search, a defendant must meet his burden of showing a reasonable expectation of privacy in the hotel room.21 This is done by establishing a subjective expectation of privacy in the place searched and society’s willingness to accept the reasonableness of this expectation.22 Thus, a hotel room, as “a temporary abode,” receives the same Fourth Amendment protections as a home,23 because the occupant of a hotel room has an expectation of privacy “no less than a tenant of a house, or the occupant of a room in a boarding house.”24 It makes sense to apply the same legal test to hotels as to apartments or homes, rather than assigning a lesser degree of privacy.

19 United States v. Allen, 106 F.3d 695, 698 (6th Cir. 1997) (internal quotation marks and citations omitted). 20 See, e.g., id. (citing Hoffa v. United States, 385 U.S. 293, 301 (1966); Stoner v. California, 376 U.S. 483, 490 (1964)). 21 See Rawlings v. Kentucky, 448 U.S. 98, 104 (1980); see also Rakas v. Illinois, 439 U.S. 128, 132 n.1 (1978) (“The proponent of a motion to suppress has the burden of establishing that his own Fourth Amendment rights were violated by the challenged search or seizure.”). 22 Minnesota v. Carter, 525 U.S. 83, 88 (1998). 23 United States v. Singleton, 922 F. Supp. 1522, 1527 (D. Kan. 1996) (citing Hoffa, 385 U.S. at 301; United States v. Foxworth, 8 F.3d 540, 544 (7th Cir. 1993); United States v. Richard, 994 F.2d 244, 247 (5th Cir. 1993); United States v. Parizo, 514 F.2d 52, 54 (2d Cir. 1975); United States v. Croft, 429 F.2d 884, 887 (10th Cir. 1970)). 272 SETON HALL CIRCUIT REVIEW [Vol. 7:269 25

 

[danikoski]

What you all are presenting could have been happening all along, even without this change. The fact that there aren't men roaming Disney resorts attacking women tells me this is simply not something to worry myself about. Not in the past and not now. This new policy has no bearing on it. There are issues with the policy and it disturbing people resting but people (mainly women seems to be of concern here) is just not one. I think trying to wrap this up with #metoo is really ridiculous

The issue is someone taking advantage of the new policy.

 

[Disneylovingmomof2]

From what I’ve read it sounds like details are in a new guest information packet. If it’s not in the room or handed to you during check-in I’d just ask for a copy.

 

[AngiTN]

The issue is someone taking advantage of the new policy.

I simply do not believe there are people out there lying in wait to take advantage of the new policy in place at Disney resorts. But maybe that's just me. I have issues with the policy but this doesn't make the list as one of them.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

From what I’ve read it sounds like details are in a new guest information packet. If it’s not in the room or handed to you during check-in I’d just ask for a copy.

Well hopefully they are in the packet 100% of the time because someone who has no idea of this policy change wouldn't know they needed to just ask for a copy.

 

[Dug720]

Well hopefully they are in the packet 100% of the time because someone who has no idea of this policy change wouldn't know they needed to just ask for a copy.

Let’s be honest - how many people actually read every word of that packet? Like how many read every word of the contract they make when they book? Very few - myself included.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Let’s be honest - how many people actually read every word of that packet? Like how many read every word of the contract they make when they book? Very few - myself included.

Yes that can happen but at least at that point it's on the guest no? Otherwise if Disney failed to notify guests of this change it's on them. The PP said "just ask for a copy" well you have to be aware of a change in policy and that you should have documents given to you in order to even ask for a copy should one not have been previously provided to you.

 

[Erin Martin]

I don't mind the new policy since we are usually in the parks from open to close every day and they seem to only check during the day... however... I'm wondering how long it will be until some crazy impersonates a security guard to enter a room and does harm to someone??? Anyone else have these concerns?

 

[Disneylovingmomof2]

Let’s be honest - how many people actually read every word of that packet? Like how many read every word of the contract they make when they book? Very few - myself included.

Maybe people don’t, but if a Disney employee knocked on someone’s door to check the room they could just go to the front desk to ask about it.
This turned into an issue of not being able to nap, to being a woman nervous about being assaulted, to what if I’m having sex or going to the bathroom or have a migraine or whatever. Not sure why everyone on here thinks they should be exempt from this for whatever reason...it’s literally as simple as answering the door and stepping into the hallway!
I’d rather have a minor inconvience in my day than something like what happened in LV.
I think it’s easy to dismiss these things as annoying until it happens to you. Disney is huge and services tons of people, how do we know what goes on behind the scenes? Yes I agree they should establish a protocol for doing these checks and make sure people aren’t frightened but to jump to a million different issues like migraines and nap schedules and I’ll call 911 if an employee tries to come into my room...geez.

 

[MrsInsG]

I guess it would be prudent to nap in your clothes at this point. Not trying to be funny.

As an FYI- I did that today with my husband sitting on the sofa in the room. I really am uncomfortable and I don’t like the feeling. Oh well!

 

[skyblue17]

I don't mind the new policy since we are usually in the parks from open to close every day and they seem to only check during the day... however... I'm wondering how long it will be until some crazy impersonates a security guard to enter a room and does harm to someone??? Anyone else have these concerns?

They can do this with or without the policy. If a security guard came to a room at any hotel, without knowing of a reason for it, my guess is most people would trust he was legitimate. Just like the pizza delivery guy might not be the pizza delivery guy. Or any number of things.

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

If it wasn't for my research, our party of 10 would have no idea about this new policy. NONE.

I haven't told them yet, as I don't want to get them all worked up about it. I plan on telling them when we land at MCO so they think to ask about it when they check in.

 

[marikujawa]

What you all are presenting could have been happening all along, even without this change. The fact that there aren't men roaming Disney resorts attacking women tells me this is simply not something to worry myself about. Not in the past and not now. This new policy has no bearing on it. There are issues with the policy and it disturbing people resting but people (mainly women seems to be of concern here) is just not one. I think trying to wrap this up with #metoo is really ridiculous.

Simple solution, let housekeeping come in to make your darn bed each day. Problem solved. No?



Agreed

Very well-stated.

 

[skyblue17]

If it wasn't for my research, our party of 10 would have no idea about this new policy. NONE.

I haven't told them yet, as I don't want to get them all worked up about it. I plan on telling them when we land at MCO so they think to ask about it when they check in.

All ten of you are opting out of housekeeping?

It shouldn't be necessary, but it kind of seems like the best way around this plan at this time, if you are a light sleeper, or need to nap, or have kids you're afraid to leave in the room, is to just get your beds made when you're in the parks. Then you won't have to worry about it anymore. Having your toilet cleaned > worrying you're going to get walked in on while you're in the shower.

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

All ten of you are opting out of housekeeping?

It shouldn't be necessary, but it kind of seems like the best way around this plan at this time, if you are a light sleeper, or need to nap, or have kids you're afraid to leave in the room, is to just get your beds made when you're in the parks. Then you won't have to worry about it anymore. Having your toilet cleaned > worrying you're going to get walked in on while you're in the shower.

Housekeeping? I'm talking about the security policy.

 

[skyblue17]

Housekeeping? I'm talking about the security policy.

The security policy is directly related to whether or not your party gets housekeeping. If you do get housekeeping, you're not going to be affected any differently.