Philando Castile shooting - full dashcam video released

[sunshinehighway]

The police officer said once he heard the word "gun" he had tunnel vision.

Yes. As soon as Mr. Castile tells him he has a gun, the officer goes for his own. At that point there's only seconds before he starts shooting.

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

No. Your feeling is wrong. It's weird that you clearly said you weren't interested in analyzing the video and jumping on the bandwagon of second guessing the officer but you clearly have no problem analyzing the video and making up scenarios to blame the victim.

That's your opinion.
and I'm not interested in analyzing this, but I will respond when asked a question. I've watched that video 3-4 times, not even all the way through. Just discussing a topic on a discussion board. I'm not making up scenarios any more so than those finding ways to blame the officer.

 

[piccolopat]

The police officer said once he heard the word "gun" he had tunnel vision.

That's why I said it appeared he was not well trained, or maybe he didn't have the personality to be a police officer in the first place. Hearing the word gun and then panic shooting someone is unacceptable. As I said, if he instructed the driver to place both hands on the wheel as soon as the driver voluntarily revealed he had a gun, perhaps none of this would have happened.

 

[cabanafrau]

Are we watching the same video linked in the original post? Because he clearly say "but I have to pull it out"

I'll agree to disagree.
I have a feeling that his wallet was right beside his gun. This is why he's saying what sounds like, to me anyways "I have to reach for it"

In one comment you're challenging someone for their attention to detail in watching the video, pronouncing what you clearly heard said.

In the next comment you have a feeling his wallet was right beside his gun and pronouncing what is said -- according to what you hear.

I certainly hope we aspire for higher standards than that for those we entrust to serve and protect us, including with the power of lethal force.

 

[DizBelle]

9:05:55 p.m.
Yanez said, “Okay, don't reach for it, then.” Castile responded, “I'm not pulling it out,” and Reynolds also said, “He's not pulling it out.” Yanez screamed, “Don't pull it out!”

Logic would dictate that, at this point, one should stop doing anything with your hands, put them in full view of the police officer and wait for instructions.

A little use of logic on Castile's part would have saved his life.

Logic seems to be in short supply these days.

 

[Grmnshplvr]

9:05:55 p.m.
Yanez said, “Okay, don't reach for it, then.” Castile responded, “I'm not pulling it out,” and Reynolds also said, “He's not pulling it out.” Yanez screamed, “Don't pull it out!”

Logic would dictate that, at this point, one should stop doing anything with your hands, put them in full view of the police officer and wait for instructions.

A little use of logic on Castile's part would have saved his life.

Logic seems to be in short supply these days.

Yes it does, especially when someone took less than 5 seconds to shoot off 7 rounds into a human being, especially someone that is professionally trained. he should have told Castile to put his hands on the steering wheel and how he wanted to proceed. ....he gave him a command "get your license"....which is what the guy was doing.

 

[cabanafrau]

9:05:55 p.m.
Yanez said, “Okay, don't reach for it, then.” Castile responded, “I'm not pulling it out,” and Reynolds also said, “He's not pulling it out.” Yanez screamed, “Don't pull it out!”

Logic would dictate that, at this point, one should stop doing anything with your hands, put them in full view of the police officer and wait for instructions.

A little use of logic on Castile's part would have saved his life.

Logic seems to be in short supply these days.

How do you know that anything Castile did or did not do could have saved his life? Reynolds said, according to your own quote, "He's not pulling it out."

People irrationally misread situations for reasons of their own all the time. We entrust sworn officers to serve and protect us, and authorize them to use lethal force. It's pretty darned important to all of us that they are evaluated and well trained to minimize the likelihood they misuse the authority we give them.

 

[Hikergirl]

9:05:55 p.m.
Yanez said, “Okay, don't reach for it, then.” Castile responded, “I'm not pulling it out,” and Reynolds also said, “He's not pulling it out.” Yanez screamed, “Don't pull it out!”

Logic would dictate that, at this point, one should stop doing anything with your hands, put them in full view of the police officer and wait for instructions.

A little use of logic on Castile's part would have saved his life.

Logic seems to be in short supply these days.

I think its more like alot of training on Yanez's part would have saved Castile's life.

 

[DizBelle]

How do you know that anything Castile did or did not do could have saved his life? Reynolds said, according to your own quote, "He's not pulling it out."

People irrationally misread situations for reasons of their own all the time. We entrust sworn officers to serve and protect us, and authorize them to use lethal force. It's pretty darned important to all of us that they are evaluated and well trained to minimize the likelihood they misuse the authority we give them.

Maybe he wasn't pulling out the gun but he was in the process of pulling something out or the officer wouldn't have yelled at him to not to. The officer didn't know Castile. Didn't know if he was honest when he was saying that he wasn't pulling out the gun.

Imagine it, you encounter someone. They tell you they have a gun. They reach behind them (toward their rear where their wallet or the gun might be). They say they're not reaching for the gun that you know they have. Are you willing to stake your life on that they're telling the truth? Then when you tell them to not pull it out, they continue to reach behind them and say again that they're not pulling it out.

Are you suggesting that Castile was shot while his hands were in plain view of the officer?

I can say with probably 98% certainty that if Castile had not been reaching for anything and his hand were in view of the officer he would not have been shot. Maybe he was only reaching for his wallet. The officer couldn't know that at the time. That Castile said he was not pulling out the gun doesn't mean that he actually wasn't.

 

[CdnCarrie]

Maybe he wasn't pulling out the gun but he was in the process of pulling something out or the officer wouldn't have yelled at him to not to. The officer didn't know Castile. Didn't know if he was honest when he was saying that he wasn't pulling out the gun.

He was pulling out the license. As the cop told him to.

As for the 2nd part of your post. The victim was seated with a restraint belt on. Even IF he had pulled a gun the PO would have easily had time to react and get out of harm's way. No need to shoot 7 rounds.

 

[cabanafrau]

Maybe he wasn't pulling out the gun but he was in the process of pulling something out or the officer wouldn't have yelled at him to not to. The officer didn't know Castile. Didn't know if he was honest when he was saying that he wasn't pulling out the gun.

Imagine it, you encounter someone. They tell you they have a gun. They reach behind them (toward their rear where their wallet or the gun might be). They say they're not reaching for the gun that you know they have. Are you willing to stake your life on that they're telling the truth? Then when you tell them to not pull it out, they continue to reach behind them and say again that they're not pulling it out.

Are you suggesting that Castile was shot while his hands were in plain view of the officer?

I can say with probably 98% certainty that if Castile had not been reaching for anything and his hand were in view of the officer he would not have been shot. Maybe he was only reaching for his wallet. The officer couldn't know that at the time. That Castile said he was not pulling out the gun doesn't mean that he actually isn't.

It's highly likely, given that the other officer with eyes on the scene didn't feel threatened enough to even issue a verbal warning, let alone fire even a single shot.

 

[DizBelle]

It's highly likely, given that the other officer with eyes on the scene didn't feel threatened enough to even issue a verbal warning, let alone fire even a single shot.

The other officer was on the other side of the car to the rear. I'm not sure he could see what was going on inside the car.

Having a second voice issuing warnings would just confuse things. It would be much harder to understand what 2 voices are saying if they are speaking at the same time.

My guess would be that they are trained to only have one officer issuing commands at a time.

 

[agame2323]

That's your opinion.
and I'm not interested in analyzing this, but I will respond when asked a question. I've watched that video 3-4 times, not even all the way through. Just discussing a topic on a discussion board. I'm not making up scenarios any more so than those finding ways to blame the officer.

Lets not neglect or deny 3 MEN AND A BOAT the right to their own opinion. Fact is, they have every right to defend the actions of the officer if they decide to do so. I suppose someone has to have a different perspective on the video and finding ways to come to the add of the officer is nothing new. Someone's going to do it. Especially on this board.

That said, lets also not overlook that some people (no matter the situation) are not morally connected to facts or principles. Some people can't help but to use events like this to showcase their TRUE characteristics and come to the defense of an inhumane act. Understand... some people enjoy this. For some, this is reassurance that the "law" is still protecting who it should protect. For some, this eases their paranoia about the state of the country. I'm not saying that one would wish for death. But, as long as traffic stops continue to happen this way, some people will always side against what's morally correct, in favor for whats orderly correct.

Do we need to publicly execute the office? No. But we all should be able to agree that there is something wrong here. And we all should be able to agree that African Americans appear to always end up on the unfortunate side during encounters with the police. Note...not all African Americans disobey the police. In this situation, fear overruled judgement. GOOD officers are trained appropriately and are well equip to handle this type of situation. Good cops are not giving enough credit. If you see nothing wrong with how the officer handled himself in this video, you don't know what good police work is. Are there some situations were deadly force is warranted...yup. This doesn't appear to be one, IMO.

3 MEN AND A BOAT could be an ex-cop, have police in his or her...or simply be a flat out racist. I could care less. As long as we can agree that there is something wrong with the outcome of this situation, we're moving in the right direction.

 

[cabanafrau]

The other officer was on the other side of the car to the rear. I'm not sure he could see what was going on inside the car.

He did state, "He's not pulling it out.", implying that he was visually observing what was going on inside the car.

If you entertain the possibility that he was incorrect, mistaken or not speaking the truth in that statement, you have to entertain that possibility regarding Yanez as well.

 

[Hikergirl]

Are you suggesting that Castile was shot while his hands were in plain view of the officer?

I read a statement by Yanez himself that describes what Castile's hand looked like, he said he was reaching for something and his hand was in the shape of a C, the way it would be if I was grabbing my gun. (paraphrasing)

So, it seems he saw his hand, but never actually saw a gun being grabbed or held.

http://www.citypages.com/news/inter...timony-he-saw-philando-castiles-gun/429733013

*This link contains non-DIS friendly language*

 

[DizBelle]

He did state, "He's not pulling it out.", implying that he was visually observing what was going on inside the car.

If you entertain the possibility that he was incorrect, mistaken or not speaking the truth in that statement, you have to entertain that possibility regarding Yanez as well.

I haven't seen/heard anything about what the other officer said. Reynolds (the girlfriend in the passenger seat) did say "He's not pulling it out". But how was the officer supposed to know she was telling the truth.

The officer has to make judgments based on the actions he observes. Not by what anyone says.

 

[DizBelle]

I read a statement by Yanez himself that describes what Castile's hand looked like, he said he was reaching for something and his hand was in the shape of a C, the way it would be if I was grabbing my gun.

So, it seems he saw his hand, but never actually saw a gun being grabbed or held.

So, I guess his hand was in view but it was in motion and reaching for something.

I guess all I can say is that if I were in this situation in Castile's position, my hands would be in plain view firmly on the steering wheel until I got instructions.

 

[Hikergirl]

So, I guess his hand was in view but it was in motion and reaching for something.

I guess all I can say is that if I were in this situation in Castile's position, my hands would be in plain view firmly on the steering wheel until I got instructions.

So you don't consider a police officer asking for your license as instructions? I do, and I'm sure in Castile's mind he figured that Yanez knew that is what he was reaching for since he asked him for it.
He bears no responsibility in his own death, he was doing what he was asked to do. This cop over reacted, period. It is all on him.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Lets not neglect or deny 3 MEN AND A BOAT the right to their own opinion. Fact is, they have every right to defend the actions of the officer if they decide to do so. I suppose someone has to have a different perspective on the video and finding ways to come to the add of the officer is nothing new. Someone's going to do it. Especially on this board.

That said, lets also not overlook that some people (no matter the situation) are not morally connected to facts or principles. Some people can't help but to use events like this to showcase their TRUE characteristics and come to the defense of an inhumane act. Understand... some people enjoy this. For some, this is reassurance that the "law" is still protecting who it should protect. For some, this eases their paranoia about the state of the country. I'm not saying that one would wish for death. But, as long as traffic stops continue to happen this way, some people will always side against what's morally correct, in favor for whats orderly correct.

Do we need to publicly execute the office? No. But we all should be able to agree that there is something wrong here. And we all should be able to agree that African Americans appear to always end up on the unfortunate side during encounters with the police. Note...not all African Americans disobey the police. In this situation, fear overruled judgement. GOOD officers are trained appropriately and are well equip to handle this type of situation. Good cops are not giving enough credit. If you see nothing wrong with how the officer handled himself in this video, you don't know what good police work is. Are there some situations were deadly force is warranted...yup. This doesn't appear to be one, IMO.

3 MEN AND A BOAT could be an ex-cop, have police in his or her...or simply be a flat out racist. I could care less. As long as we can agree that there is something wrong with the outcome of this situation, we're moving in the right direction.

3 Men and a Boat can have whatever opinion s/he wants. The problem comes when we start thinking the right to have an opinion means all opinions should be viewed as legitimate. The conversation between the parties involved in this shooting have been established, presented in court and both parties agreed to that.
Three Men and a Boat can believe s/he hears whatever s/he wants to believe but simply believing something doesn't legitimize it.

 

[cabanafrau]

So, I guess his hand was in view but it was in motion and reaching for something.

I guess all I can say is that if I were in this situation in Castile's position, my hands would be in plain view firmly on the steering wheel until I got instructions.

If the officer tells you to get out your license and registration, wouldn't you cooperate with that instruction?

If a trained and sworn officer of the law wants my hands on the steering wheel, shouldn't that be the command given? How does one present one's documents without using one's hands to retrieve them and hand them over?

A little logic employed by the officer would have saved that man's life. Certainly that's not too much to ask of those sworn to protect and serve? Our standard cannot be eligible for execution because an officer decides we might fit the description of a robbery suspect with execution carried out via trial by officer despite following officer's verbal commands.