SDFP: CHANGES COMING!! Beware the 7th of June?!

[marciemi]

Asking if I can transfer a FP after time period expired for the ones I didn't use. Next Wednesday (June 7), my son and I are going to Hollywood just for a couple hours, after dinner on the Boardwalk. I have these FPs booked on our own tickets -- Star Tours 7-8, TOT 8-9, RNR 9-10 (the latest possible). I have another 8-9 RNR booked on my husband and daughter's tickets. I doubt we will get there in time for the Star Tours ride, so that one will expire without getting used. Will I be able to transfer second RNR to our tickets after we ride the first one?

I don't think the system would let you since it would have to be past the time of the FP by the time you would transfer it, right? Even if it did, how would you use it if it would be expired?

I don't understand why the CPFP system would work differently in a tiered park vs non-tiered park(MK).

In a non tiered park, the apparent thought is to just book one FP (say from 9-10am) and then have other CPFP rides that you could transfer as soon as you rode that one (say one from 9:20-10:20 and another set from 9:40-10:40). This is with the thought of maximizing more than one ride in an hour (like you can only book with normal FP). However, in a Tiered park (assuming the goal is to get a second Tier 1), you either have to use or be past the time windows of 2 Tier 2's and the Tier 1 before you are eligible for another Tier 1. So it doesn't make sense to book only 1 FP.

 

[CMNJ]

1. I mean ones from earlier in the day, after the window has passed (maybe I didn't get to the park in time, and now I'd rather ride the awesome rides on my CPFP than what's left in the FP for the day). Maybe I can transfer anyway, without deleting the missed ones?


2. Asking if I can transfer a FP after time period expired for the ones I didn't use. Next Wednesday (June 7), my son and I are going to Hollywood just for a couple hours, after dinner on the Boardwalk. I have these FPs booked on our own tickets -- Star Tours 7-8, TOT 8-9, RNR 9-10 (the latest possible). I have another 8-9 RNR booked on my husband and daughter's tickets. I doubt we will get there in time for the Star Tours ride, so that one will expire without getting used. Will I be able to transfer second RNR to our tickets after we ride the first one?


Ok got it. Thanks!

1. Sorry misunderstood why you would delete. Yes you can delete the expired ones and then transfer the ones you want via CHange party. I haven't experimented with the whole expired thing like other have but I think they were saying it allows you to schedule a new tier 1 without having actually rode the tier 2 rides. If you only used 1 of the original 3 FP I think you want to cancel the remaining 2 and then transfer b/c you can only have 3 original FP then 1 rolling one at a time and I don't think the expired thing will let you transfer both at once (without cancelling the expired ones.)

2.You cannot hold 2 tier 1 rides at once on the same account so if I understand you correctly then no. If your main ticket (the one you use to enter the park) had the 8-9 RNR and the donor ticket had 9-10 RNR you should be able to transfer it according to what the others have said about letting the tier 2 FP expire (we always use them so I personally have no experience with that). However if I understand you correctly you will not have used your tier 1 on your actual ticket (9-10) before the donor ticket FP expired (8-9) so you cannot transfer it.

 

[wareagle57]

I don't think the system would let you since it would have to be past the time of the FP by the time you would transfer it, right? Even if it did, how would you use it if it would be expired?

In a non tiered park, the apparent thought is to just book one FP (say from 9-10am) and then have other CPFP rides that you could transfer as soon as you rode that one (say one from 9:20-10:20 and another set from 9:40-10:40). This is with the thought of maximizing more than one ride in an hour (like you can only book with normal FP). However, in a Tiered park (assuming the goal is to get a second Tier 1), you either have to use or be past the time windows of 2 Tier 2's and the Tier 1 before you are eligible for another Tier 1. So it doesn't make sense to book only 1 FP.

Unless you are park hopping. You can book a single FP+ for a tier 1 at park A, then obtain a new tier 1 attraction from another park B, but not from park A. Though I would think with CPFP maybe you could still get one from park A?

 

[CMNJ]

I don't understand why the CPFP system would work differently in a tiered park vs non-tiered park(MK).

Unless you are park hopping. You can book a single FP+ for a tier 1 at park A, then obtain a new tier 1 attraction from another park B, but not from park A. Though I would think with CPFP maybe you could still get one from park A?

You can't transfer the tier one from park A though until you use two tier 2 on the main ticket (or let them expire)

 

[Marionnette]

I thought I had it all figured out, now this! Here's my situation...We are staying offsite for the first time. I have a throw away room booked at FW for all six of us traveling with tickets attached on one MDE account. I have another throw away reservation for 2 nights later with the same 6 people (for the parking and EMH and another set of MBs that won't be tied to tickets) on another MDE account. Will the MBs come already tied to our reservation? I can change the names on the 2nd reservation to phantom names, but I can't actually change my own can I? If I will need to have the MDE accounts "friend" each other, won't that make it so that my MB will just be a clone (which I already have 2 of).

Will the MBs come already tied to our reservation?
Yes. MBs that are obtained thru a reservation are linked to the profile that matches them in MDE.

I can change the names on the 2nd reservation to phantom names, but I can't actually change my own can I?
You can change any names on a reservation with the exception of the lead name.

If I will need to have the MDE accounts "friend" each other, won't that make it so that my MB will just be a clone (which I already have 2 of).
If the names are the same, they will get cloned when you do a F&F request.

 

[DizBelle]

If this all pans out the way we expect it to - then CPFP will work just like SDFP (with cards and bands that are not clones) - with the extra step of doing the Change Party after the first FP are used.

This is the major difference. What we will no longer be able to do is book advance FPs for the afternoon in park 2 and use SDFP in the morning in park 1.

BIG bummer.

 

[wareagle57]

4. Yes (again I haven't tried the expired thing) but if you didn't have 3 FP for that day you could transfer one subject to the tiering rules and once you use 3 can get an additional one at a time

Here is my main confusion (other that whether or not I need to add people/bands originally designated for SDFP, to my MDE to use for CPFP)

If I only pre-book one FP (a tier 1), once it is use can I not transfer any CPFP regardless of what park it is for or what tier it is?

 

[marciemi]

If I only pre-book one FP (a tier 1), once it is use can I not transfer any CPFP regardless of what park it is for or what tier it is?

For all cases other than a Tier 1 in the same park, yes. If you book only Test Track, once you use it you can use CPFP for other Tier 2's in that park, for a Tier 1 in any other park (say Pandora rides or Toy Story Mania). However, if you've only used that Tier 1 (and not Tier 2's) in Epcot, if you try to transfer your CPFP Tier 1 you will get an error message telling you that you've already selected your Tier 1 for the day. You can't transfer (or get or use) another Tier 1 for the SAME PARK until you've used, tapped, or let the time windows expire of 2 Tier 2's on your main account.

 

[CMNJ]

I don't understand why the CPFP system would work differently in a tiered park vs non-tiered park(MK).

Because at tiered parks you have to worry about the tiering restrictions. In addition to what @marciemi said about strategy at MK you could also schedule whatever 3 rides you want on each ticket (so have 6 headliners booked or 2 rides on one you love but wouldn't ride standby). After using the 3 on the ticket you used to enter the park you begin to transfer from the donor ticket and as you transfer add a new rolling FP to the donor ticket. Since there aren't tiering rules you can add ANY attraction to that donor ticket as long as you don't try to hold 2 FP for the same attraction with that ticket (so you can ride space mountain or big thunder multiple times if it is avail). So if you schedule your actual ticket FP for 9-10, 10-11, and 11-12 you could tour for almost an hour when the crowds are low then hit 2 FP in a row (just before and just after 10), hit a ride with a short standby line then finish your 3rd FP by just after 11. Schedule the donor FP for 10:30-11:30, 11:30-12:30, and 12:30-1:30. Once you finish your 3rd FP just after 11 change party the 10:30-11:30 and reschedule the 3rd donor FP. That early in the day there should be good availability. Rinse and repeat. If you want to get even more involved you can try to start moving up the donor FP times when you schedule the new 3rd FP. So once you moved the 10:30-11:30 FP to the primary ticket (which you can do in FP line waiting for the 11-12 FP) you can try to move the 11:30-12:30 FP up to an earlier time (11:15/11:20). If you can move that one up then you can try to move the rest as well. If you can't then when you transfer the 11:30-12:30 FP to the primary person you can try to move up the 12:30-1:30 and the subsequent FP when you reschedule the 3rd FP on the donor account. Sometimes it is easy to move them up sometimes there is no earlier availability for that attraction. I do it while in the FP line if I bother with it.

ETA lol maybe I shouldn't give away all my secrets
Let's just say my son is a HUGE 7DMT fan and we have yet to wait standby for that ride-only ever saw the standby que when we had a CRT PPO ADR.

 

[juliekzp]

I don't think the system would let you since it would have to be past the time of the FP by the time you would transfer it, right? Even if it did, how would you use it if it would be expired?

In a non tiered park, the apparent thought is to just book one FP (say from 9-10am) and then have other CPFP rides that you could transfer as soon as you rode that one (say one from 9:20-10:20 and another set from 9:40-10:40). This is with the thought of maximizing more than one ride in an hour (like you can only book with normal FP). However, in a Tiered park (assuming the goal is to get a second Tier 1), you either have to use or be past the time windows of 2 Tier 2's and the Tier 1 before you are eligible for another Tier 1. So it doesn't make sense to book only 1 FP.

Oops totally mistyped. The second RNR is also 9-10.

 

[juliekzp]

2.You cannot hold 2 tier 1 rides at once on the same account so if I understand you correctly then no. If your main ticket (the one you use to enter the park) had the 8-9 RNR and the donor ticket had 9-10 RNR you should be able to transfer it according to what the others have said about letting the tier 2 FP expire (we always use them so I personally have no experience with that). However if I understand you correctly you will not have used your tier 1 on your actual ticket (9-10) before the donor ticket FP expired (8-9) so you cannot transfer it.

I'm sorry I completely mistyped! The second RNR is also 9-10 (not 8-9). So we use the first one on our own bands at 9:00, then hopefully can transfer the second one to our bands.

 

[marciemi]

I'm sorry I completely mistyped! The second RNR is also 9-10 (not 8-9). So we use the first one on our own bands at 9:00, then hopefully can transfer the second one to our bands.

Then, yes, that should work with what we know now.

 

[DonaldDuck77]

Once you finish your 3rd FP just after 11 change party the 10:30-11:30 and reschedule the 3rd donor FP. That early in the day there should be good availability. Rinse and repeat.

Does the "rolling 3rd" strategy work when the donor band does not have tickets connected to its profile?

 

[ScrapYap]

ETA lol maybe I shouldn't give away all my secrets

Sames.

 

[ScrapYap]

Does the "rolling 3rd" strategy work when the donor band does not have tickets connected to its profile?

Requires a kiosk visit for non-ticketed bands/cards.

 

[DonaldDuck77]

Requires a kiosk visit for non-ticketed bands/cards.

An additional kiosk visit for each new "3rd"? That is when it becomes not worth it. I may plan on just booking the 3. Using my 3, the CPFP 3, and then new ones by the app after that.

 

[FelisLachesis]

So someone on the Marathon 2018 thread over at the runDisney forum had a thought, and I wanted to pick your brains here:

During the marathon, save the elite group of people, most runners will be in DAK after the park opens to run through it. Now some people actually like to jump off course and jump onto a ride or two, as long as they still have time and not get swept. Expedition Everest is actually a bit of a cult favorite amongst the runners. To save time, they'll book a 9:30-10:00 am fast pass.

Now here's the dilemma and why I'm posting here: the runners don't actually ever officially enter the park. The run through the parks is considered part of the race, and the magic bands are never actually scanned to enter the park.

It's a prebooked, part of the 3 for the day FPs booked in advance.

Could this cause a potential lockout?

 

[ScrapYap]

So someone on the Marathon 2018 thread over at the runDisney forum had a thought, and I wanted to pick your brains here:

During the marathon, save the elite group of people, most runners will be in DAK after the park opens to run through it. Now some people actually like to jump off course and jump onto a ride or two, as long as they still have time and not get swept. Expedition Everest is actually a bit of a cult favorite amongst the runners. To save time, they'll book a 9:30-10:00 am fast pass.

Now here's the dilemma and why I'm posting here: the runners don't actually ever officially enter the park. The run through the parks is considered part of the race, and the magic bands are never actually scanned to enter the park.

It's a prebooked, part of the 3 for the day FPs booked in advance.

Could this cause a potential lockout?

Yes. Good catch!

Are the bands tapped at the start of the race?

 

[otterpop]

I'm a "glutton for punishment"...here's my latest experiment:

Yesterday, I set-up 3 days of FP's on phantoms that I don't care about/need. I reassigned the tickets I had associated with them that were used to make the FP's, back to my main profiles. I then reassigned our upcoming MNSSHP tickets from our main profiles to the phantoms...so the phantoms have 3 days of FP's and an active party ticket (which is obviously good for only 1 day/party and for a different date). I'm curious if I will get the warning e-mail (and when and if I do, what will happen (FP's deleted? How long until deleted? Account...locked?)...

So far, approx. 24 hours later, everything is still okay...

Day #2 update...

No Disney warning e-mail this morning...so it's now been about 48 hours later since setting up the above exp. and my FP's all appear to be "good."

Just to add to my possible conclusions...the other day when I got the warning e-mail (for a different, but similar scenario), maybe it was because I was trying out all sorts of ticket reassignments and FP rearrangements on multiple phantoms, that by doing so many different things, that they triggered a flag in the system (I think ScrapYap alluded to something along these lines), so that the system knew who to "target" when it actually checked in the early morning the following day (I got the warning e-mails around 3:30 am). Maybe by doing minimal reassignments, that I am "flying under the radar" sort of speak...we shall see!
This is almost as fun as if/when I will be able to actually use the FP's!!!!!

 

[hiroMYhero]

Yes. Good catch!

Are the bands tapped at the start of the race?

No. MBs aren't a requirement because the races are open to everyone. All runners do wear Bibs with RFID chips but those wouldn't be synced with the FP system nor park-entry system.