Should we welcome the "new" relatives?

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Here's what's going on:

Last year, my cousin married a man serving a life sentence for murder. The crime was committed 22 years ago. He has not been a saint in prison. She met him while she was working at his prison. She divorced her husband within a year, then married this man. She no longer works at the prison.

Our family has always been really tight. Like cousins-are-siblings tight. I'd say that in the family there are 25-30 people (not including the under-18's) that get together 4-6 times a year, and more times than that in smaller groups. She knew we would not be supportive of this marriage. So she just did it, and announced it on FB.

As a family, we really didn't discuss it too much. She was ambiguous about what he is incarcerated for, but a simple google search gave us all the info. Of course, "he is innocent, was framed" is the story we get from her. This all happened just before Thanksgiving last year, and we were able to make it through the holidays without discussing it with her. She did attend the parties and gatherings, but she did not bring it up and we did not bring it up.

I am hosting the family Christmas party this year. I received a message from her, making sure it was all right that she bring along her step-children to the party. These are not young kids, they are in their 20's. After a brief discussion with her sister (her answer was no) and my mother (another no), and my husband (a 3rd no), and a week of thinking about it, I let her know gently that the Christmas party was not the ideal place for her to introduce her husband's grown children to her family. I suggested she host a low-key event herself and invite the family.

This did not go over well. I didn't expect it to.

Her argument was two-fold: first, he is not a murderer. Second, the (adult) children had nothing to do with anything. She says we are close-minded and she will no longer attend any family events.

The decision is made. I'm just curious about what you all think about it.
 
Here's what's going on:

Last year, my cousin married a man serving a life sentence for murder. The crime was committed 22 years ago. He has not been a saint in prison. She met him while she was working at his prison. She divorced her husband within a year, then married this man. She no longer works at the prison.

Our family has always been really tight. Like cousins-are-siblings tight. I'd say that in the family there are 25-30 people (not including the under-18's) that get together 4-6 times a year, and more times than that in smaller groups. She knew we would not be supportive of this marriage. So she just did it, and announced it on FB.

As a family, we really didn't discuss it too much. She was ambiguous about what he is incarcerated for, but a simple google search gave us all the info. Of course, "he is innocent, was framed" is the story we get from her. This all happened just before Thanksgiving last year, and we were able to make it through the holidays without discussing it with her. She did attend the parties and gatherings, but she did not bring it up and we did not bring it up.

I am hosting the family Christmas party this year. I received a message from her, making sure it was all right that she bring along her step-children to the party. These are not young kids, they are in their 20's. After a brief discussion with her sister (her answer was no) and my mother (another no), and my husband (a 3rd no), and a week of thinking about it, I let her know gently that the Christmas party was not the ideal place for her to introduce her husband's grown children to her family. I suggested she host a low-key event herself and invite the family.

This did not go over well. I didn't expect it to.

Her argument was two-fold: first, he is not a murderer. Second, the (adult) children had nothing to do with anything. She says we are close-minded and she will no longer attend any family events.

The decision is made. I'm just curious about what you all think about it.

I wouldn't want him or his family around. He was convicted of murder and he has not been a saint in prison, pretty much does it for me. No thanks!
 
The "big" part of me would like to say that your sister married a man convicted of a horrifying crime, and now his kids are her step-kids. The husband committed the crime, not the kids... so why are you punishing your sister and her step-children for a crime they didn't commit? Many people don't like their sibling's spouses for a variety of reasons- and certainly being convicted of murder is a reason not to want to associate with him. Is it reason to not associate with your sister and her step-kids is the real question. Like I said the "big" part of me wants to say "Invite her and her step-children, they didn't commit the crime." In reality, I don't know if I could do it. I think I could, but not 100% sure.
 
I'll be honest and totally un PC here. Not no, but hell no would I have a murderer's adult "children" in my home when I did not know anything about them. I doubt they had a stellar upbringing. See how it goes with your cousin being a stepmother to them for a while. Let's face it, you cannot take her world for it that they are good people since she has shown herself to be an abysmal judge of character.
 
The "big" part of me would like to say that your sister married a man convicted of a horrifying crime, and now his kids are her step-kids. The husband committed the crime, not the kids... so why are you punishing your sister and her step-children for a crime they didn't commit? Many people don't like their sibling's spouses for a variety of reasons- and certainly being convicted of murder is a reason not to want to associate with him. Is it reason to not associate with your sister and her step-kids is the real question. Like I said the "big" part of me wants to say "Invite her and her step-children, they didn't commit the crime." In reality, I don't know if I could do it. I think I could, but not 100% sure.

Just to clarify, it is my 1st cousin and not my sister. I did ask HER sister what she thought, and she agreed with me. I'm also a bit torn on the whole "it's-not-their-crime" thing, but then again they do continue to have a relationship with him although they were just 2 and a newborn when he was sent to prison for the final time (he had served time before this conviction). I've read the court documents. This man is guilty. They all claim innocence. Makes me not want to have a relationship with them. As for the cousin, she is still welcome at events. But if he were to ever get out of jail? Unlikely, of course, but he would not be welcome.

I'm such a meanie.
 
Just to clarify, it is my 1st cousin and not my sister. I did ask HER sister what she thought, and she agreed with me. I'm also a bit torn on the whole "it's-not-their-crime" thing, but then again they do continue to have a relationship with him although they were just 2 and a newborn when he was sent to prison for the final time (he had served time before this conviction). I've read the court documents. This man is guilty. They all claim innocence. Makes me not want to have a relationship with them. As for the cousin, she is still welcome at events. But if he were to ever get out of jail? Unlikely, of course, but he would not be welcome.

I'm such a meanie.

Sorry, my mistake. As I said, I'd like to think I could be open-minded and accept the "it's not their crime" viewpoint, but I really don't know.
 
Just to clarify, it is my 1st cousin and not my sister. I did ask HER sister what she thought, and she agreed with me. I'm also a bit torn on the whole "it's-not-their-crime" thing, but then again they do continue to have a relationship with him although they were just 2 and a newborn when he was sent to prison for the final time (he had served time before this conviction). I've read the court documents. This man is guilty. They all claim innocence. Makes me not want to have a relationship with them. As for the cousin, she is still welcome at events. But if he were to ever get out of jail? Unlikely, of course, but he would not be welcome.

I'm such a meanie.
I was thinking he just got out of prison. So she's just bringing his kids around. I still say no. These "kids" are adults. They need to move on with their own lives.
 
If the adult children are not welcome because of something a relative (dad) did, not something they themselves did. Then people should not be around you because of something a relative of yours (cousin) did. Same logic.

If you are truly the close "tight" family that you say then you would be jumping at the chance to welcome new family.

But then I come from a large family that not everyone is perfect and we don't paint with such a broad paintbrush.
 
We were once at a family gathering with a branch of the family we do not see often. One of them was positively giddy because she'd just gotten news that a man she had met through her church work had escaped a murder conviction. The conversation went something like this:

Relative: We're just so happy because he's a good guy and he was upset at the time of the killing, so he really wasn't responsible.

Us: So he DID kill a woman? There's no doubt about that?

Relative: No, he killed her but he was provoked.

Us: Was it self defense?

Relative: No, he was married and he was having an affair with this woman and she got pregnant. She wanted to have an abortion instead of having the baby. He got upset and killed her.

Us: (by this time it was really ME, since everyone else was slack jawed) So he got a woman pregnant while he was married and when she decided to have an abortion, he thought it was acceptable to KILL her? And unless I'm missing something, he killed that baby he cared so much about too?

Relative: Yes, but he is sorry and I would hate to see his life ruined over it.

By now, every jaw is hanging open.

Me: Well, I think they should have fried him. He doesn't deserve to live.

It was her turn to be slack jawed.

The point is, what different people think is reasonable varies. Your relative's new family is off the charts in what they believe. It's normal to not want to be around that kind of crazy.
 
If the adult children are not welcome because of something a relative (dad) did, not something they themselves did. Then people should not be around you because of something a relative of yours (cousin) did. Same logic.

If you are truly the close "tight" family that you say then you would be jumping at the chance to welcome new family.

But then I come from a large family that not everyone is perfect and we don't paint with such a broad paintbrush.
If the adult children and current wife/cousin were not living in a state of delusion and lies, maybe the family would be more welcoming. But who wants people like that, whom they don't even know, in their house? Sorry, I'm not that trusting. And it's a reasonable question to ask why they want to spend the holidays with complete strangers instead of their own family. There is doubtless a back story there. The response of, "It would be better if YOU hosted a party for us to get to know them" was completely appropriate and reasonable. The cousin has taken leave of her senses. She has lost her mind, which is worse than being close minded. There's a reason a stereotype exists for women who marry men they meet while the man is in prison.
 
Who raised these kids anyways since their dad was in jail all their lives? Where's their mom? Don't they already have a family?

They were raised by their mother and grandparents. I've just been told that the oldest daughter is not biologically his.
 
If the adult children are not welcome because of something a relative (dad) did, not something they themselves did. Then people should not be around you because of something a relative of yours (cousin) did. Same logic.

If you are truly the close "tight" family that you say then you would be jumping at the chance to welcome new family.

But then I come from a large family that not everyone is perfect and we don't paint with such a broad paintbrush.

We have welcomed new people into our family. New spouses, new step children, boyfriend/girlfriends, even close friends. The issue I am having is that despite the evidence, the conviction, the violent behavior during his prison sentence (you can see the offenses online), they continue to proclaim his innocence. I feel they are delusional and don't want that around my family.
 
If the adult children and current wife/cousin were not living in a state of delusion and lies, maybe the family would be more welcoming. But who wants people like that, whom they don't even know, in their house? Sorry, I'm not that trusting. And it's a reasonable question to ask why they want to spend the holidays with complete strangers instead of their own family. There is doubtless a back story there. The response of, "It would be better if YOU hosted a party for us to get to know them" was completely appropriate and reasonable. The cousin has taken leave of her senses. She has lost her mind, which is worse than being close minded. There's a reason a stereotype exists for women who marry men they meet while the man is in prison.

I will say that we all live within a 2-hour drive of each other. The party would easily be a day trip. And it's the weekend before Christmas. This cousin has always been the one who likes drama, who likes what everybody else doesn't like, who feels the need to be different for the sake of being different. But we've always known that about her and loved her and supported her anyway - until all of this mess.
 

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