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I was in an ECV outside the Country Bear Jamboree when a boy of about four looked at it and said, "I want one of those!" His grandmother (or mother, maybe) smirked and said, "Yeah, sure must be nice."

I smiled and said, "Yeah, it's GREAT having a broken foot! Wanna trade legs?"

The little boy laughed, but the woman looked suitably abashed.
 
But would your daughter get up for someone with an invisible disability who asked for a seat? I have a lot of problems with that kind of situation where people assume that because I'm not elderly and my mobility aid is attached to my leg I don't need a seat and even make comments when I ask. I'm sure your daughter would, because you seem like a great parent and your kids sound awesome and helpful, but not everyone would and it's something to watch out for.

Not to start an argument, but how do you know that the person you are asking to give up their seat doesn't have an invisible disability of their own? And that can put them in a rather percarious position to have to either seem rude by not complying with your request or explaining their own personal business. I have my own hidden disabilities and if I was seated and you asked me... Honestly, I would not be very happy with you. Because if I don't honor you request, I appear rude. And then in order not to appear rude, I am almost 'obligated' to divulge a certain amount of personal information about myself that I may not care to share in that instance. I really am not saying this to you right now to be rude or start an argument, but just to share how the situation could very well happen. If I need to be assured of a seat, I wait for a bus that I will get a seat on, not board one where I 'hope' or 'anticipate' someone to give one up to me. I know that would be the nice thing. And it is great if someone OFFERS one up. But to ASK is a totally different ballgame. You don't know why they may need that seat! :goodvibes
 
Not to start an argument, but how do you know that the person you are asking to give up their seat doesn't have an invisible disability of their own? And that can put them in a rather percarious position to have to either seem rude by not complying with your request or explaining their own personal business. I have my own hidden disabilities and if I was seated and you asked me... Honestly, I would not be very happy with you. Because if I don't honor you request, I appear rude. And then in order not to appear rude, I am almost 'obligated' to divulge a certain amount of personal information about myself that I may not care to share in that instance. I really am not saying this to you right now to be rude or start an argument, but just to share how the situation could very well happen. If I need to be assured of a seat, I wait for a bus that I will get a seat on, not board one where I 'hope' or 'anticipate' someone to give one up to me. I know that would be the nice thing. And it is great if someone OFFERS one up. But to ASK is a totally different ballgame. You don't know why they may need that seat! :goodvibes

I would never ask a specific person, but I can definitely ask. You do not have to get up, nothing obligates you to do that. You could just say something like "sorry, I need the seat". How am I supposed to get what I need if I don't ask? No one would get up for me if I didn't ask, but I need a seat... Under your plan, I should stand and end up needing $400 more physio and more involved surgery, no thanks, I'd rather ask. Not everyone can wait for however many busses because they're too afraid of offending someone. My health comes before my social discomfort (which is considerable, by the way). I'm glad you have the leeway of waiting for a different bus, but you might want to consider asking. Please note that I keep saying asking, not demanding.
 
I would never ask a specific person, but I can definitely ask. You do not have to get up, nothing obligates you to do that. You could just say something like "sorry, I need the seat". How am I supposed to get what I need if I don't ask? No one would get up for me if I didn't ask, but I need a seat... Under your plan, I should stand and end up needing $400 more physio and more involved surgery, no thanks, I'd rather ask. Not everyone can wait for however many busses because they're too afraid of offending someone. My health comes before my social discomfort (which is considerable, by the way). I'm glad you have the leeway of waiting for a different bus, but you might want to consider asking. Please note that I keep saying asking, not demanding.

I agree with you that there is nothing wrong in asking, generally, if someone would be willing to give up a seat because you are in pain. There might be plenty of people willing to do that, but who wouldn't know if you didn't mention your need. Maybe no person will give up a seat, but it doesn't really hurt to ask - if you aren't targeting a specific person, which might make him or her uncomfortable.
 
I agree with you that there is nothing wrong in asking, generally, if someone would be willing to give up a seat because you are in pain. There might be plenty of people willing to do that, but who wouldn't know if you didn't mention your need. Maybe no person will give up a seat, but it doesn't really hurt to ask - if you aren't targeting a specific person, which might make him or her uncomfortable.
Again, not to argue or meant to be rude, but I guess the difference between us is that I take responsibility for my own comfort and don't expect others to do that for me by giving up the seat they waited for. I would use appropriate means at the bus stop (aka wheelchair, scooter, rollator or whatever device I needed so that I could wait for a bus so that I knew I could sit without asking for a seat as there isn't a guarantee someone will give theirs up, then what do you do?) or I would use my own transportation. Trust me, been thru surgery that caused more damage than it fixed...did months of PT...and have permanent damage. Have Seen several Dr's now that have told me that my issue is 'not fixable' and will probably get worse. It's not fun. So I have to take responsibility for 'me' and be prepared. Yes it would be wonderful if the rest of the world were perfect but when people look at 'me', they don't see anything wrong... and I don't feel like having to explain my life to them. Yes, it sucks. But it's my responsibility, so I will accept it as these are the cards I have been dealt now.

But just out of curiosity, what would you do if someone didn't give their seat up?
Not that it is any of my business but, would you be able to ride standing up?
 
I was in an ECV outside the Country Bear Jamboree when a boy of about four looked at it and said, "I want one of those!" His grandmother (or mother, maybe) smirked and said, "Yeah, sure must be nice."

I smiled and said, "Yeah, it's GREAT having a broken foot! Wanna trade legs?"

The little boy laughed, but the woman looked suitably abashed.

I would love a broken foot.. that will heal.. wanna trade my eyes for your broken foot...my eyes only will get worse... ;)
 
Again, not to argue or meant to be rude, but I guess the difference between us is that I take responsibility for my own comfort and don't expect others to do that for me by giving up the seat they waited for. I would use appropriate means at the bus stop (aka wheelchair, scooter, rollator or whatever device I needed so that I could wait for a bus so that I knew I could sit without asking for a seat as there isn't a guarantee someone will give theirs up, then what do you do?) or I would use my own transportation. Trust me, been thru surgery that caused more damage than it fixed...did months of PT...and have permanent damage. Have Seen several Dr's now that have told me that my issue is 'not fixable' and will probably get worse. It's not fun. So I have to take responsibility for 'me' and be prepared. Yes it would be wonderful if the rest of the world were perfect but when people look at 'me', they don't see anything wrong... and I don't feel like having to explain my life to them. Yes, it sucks. But it's my responsibility, so I will accept it as these are the cards I have been dealt now.

But just out of curiosity, what would you do if someone didn't give their seat up?
Not that it is any of my business but, would you be able to ride standing up?

I think the difference between us is that I'm willing to take responsibility for my health in a slightly different way. Not everyone has the capacity or the time to wait until there's a bus with empty seats.

Just out of curiousity, what happens to you when you don't have time to wait? Do you just give up on things you wanted to do because you're convinced that other people are more important than you? Your needs are important and you can ask for things that you need. You don't have to force anyone to get up, but you can ask.

You're right, it's none of your business, particularly as you basically called me a spoiled child for taking control of my situation.
 
How does that work? You just randomly announce, from the front of the bus, that you need a seat and hope that someone will stand up?

Yes, and there is nothing wrong with that. I have no problem explaining why I need the seat, and people are generally decent.
 
Yes, and there is nothing wrong with that. I have no problem explaining why I need the seat, and people are generally decent.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but nowhere did Crash put in any judgement about "wrong" or "right". Crash simply asked a question. Why using that word and even underlining it to draw all attention to it? Might very well be me, but for me it comes across kinda....... overly defensive. As I read the post, I can read all kinds of options in there. Not in the least place somebody who wants to enlighten themselves in order to be able to apply gained knowledge where needed for themselves or others.


I think the difference between us is that I'm willing to take responsibility for my health in a slightly different way. Not everyone has the capacity or the time to wait until there's a bus with empty seats.

If that is ones need, that is a real shame but for those situations one should really reconsider if using the Disney transportation is fitting their needs or whether it is time to consider other forms of transportation.

Just out of curiousity, what happens to you when you don't have time to wait? Do you just give up on things you wanted to do because you're convinced that other people are more important than you?

Simple; I have taken my precautions where needed when I know beforehand this might be a realistic problem. Either I arrange transportation that has no risk of me waiting for a bus -or 5- or I accept the consequences of my choice to use transportation that indeed might result in me waiting. Not because I'm convinced others are more important than me, but because I'm convinced my need does not trump someone else. No seat available would result in me waiting a turn, I would never get on and basically get into a "make or break situation" where others can easily feel unfair responsibility for my health. Nowadays that option has long been past. No wheelchair spot is not getting on. And no, never would it even cross my mind to ask someone else to fold up a foldable manual chair when that is a technical option (and can be stored in such a way one more wheelchair could get on that would need to be tied into place), including when they have transferred to a regular seat.

And even more importantly; I have no control over something as Disney transportation. For all I now lightning strikes the proverbial 3 times in a row and all goes wrong that can go wrong and more. When I know my time is very limited, it's a lot more productive for me to take control and my responsibility where I can. Including opting for other transportation if it comes as tight as not being able to wait one more bus.

Your needs are important and you can ask for things that you need. You don't have to force anyone to get up, but you can ask.

In theory; true. Asking is very important. However in this situation I'm not one that considers this my norm. Not only because I would find myself lacking in taking my own responsibility, but also because I do not want to run the real risk of forcing that upon or even just creating a sentiment with anybody else that they'ld have to make place for me. Or indeed; be deemed rude. My needs end where that of someone-elses (might) begins. Even more so at WDW, where we know there is a relatively high percentage of those with all kinds of needs. Because it is such an accessible and special place. Because we all KNOW when busses will be overflowing, we all know how bad the situation gets at those moments etc. etc. etc.

You're right, it's none of your business, particularly as you basically called me a spoiled child for taking control of my situation.

Might that perhaps also be yourself reading it is such? Interpretation is a huge part of communication. Might also be a good chance it is not (just) SLT considering you a "spoiled child", it might very well be communication dynamics.
 
As far as the general subject goes. I'm noticing a lot of possible communication hurdles. For instance when somebody looks or talks. It is easy to be sensitive to this subject, even more so when it's not yourself but a loved one with a need. With said sensitivity it is a lot easier to view each look as "see, they are looking at me because of -fill in something negative/judgemental". Might be, but it also might be somebody checking out a chair/stroller or whatever aid because they have a eureka-moment (cool aid/ never knew it, but that might work for Gran/Suzie/Tom). Might be because they love something you're wearing. Might be that special smile. Might be a hundred things. When you might be used to a 100 stares resulting in let's say 65 being negative, those 35 others are more easily put into the negative category by the way our brain works.

I'm lucky in the sence that I tend to be ignorant to looks, comments and what not unless I'm not my regular selve and have a bad day. I am so consumed with my/our goal and focus I simply don't even notice looks and comments. It has been a huge lesson. My parents, loved ones, friends are not so oblivious and notice it. After stare 100 when for instance going shopping many friends will feel beyond uneasy and feeling judged. Some times that is correct. Others; not so. Result; they feel worse than factually needed. Because I tend to be so oblivious, many times have resulted in later finding out why a stare or rumour happened. Both me and others were and are happily surprised with how many are not what we might think they are.

Also have learned that my own posture is a big influence. When I'm not owning my aid and situation, almost like embracing it and radiating out that "this is totally normal, nothing to be noticed", sure enough other people will pick up on my own unease with it and I do get more stares and comments. Did a trial once with my OT when she didn't believe it and reckoned it would be how I considered things. She followed me while shopping using an aid I'm very uneasy with and don't want to use versus my normal ease with my regular aid. She was amazed to notice the same. Has done this with other clients also to empower and found the same thing.

In a real bad mood? Oh boy......... poor me and poor rest of the world. :headache:


In cases where there are meant judgemental stares and comments? Humor is the best medicine. For myself as it brushes things of and turns it into a positive moment and it's the easiest way others open up to the idea that they might need to adjust their opinion or educate. If need be I'll be the first to go totally overboard with that to make sure the point does not get missed. My weird sence of humor and others seem to react to it in a very positive way. Sometimes it will have no influence what so ever on the other(s). As it happens in life. But as said the positive for me is a lot better than drifting on the negative and it tends to result in some nice interaction with others when around.

I am also the one that would speak up when hearing rumour, see pointing towards me but avoiding me like the plague so to say. I'll have a look, scale folks in and either go on my nutty selve of overdoing it and going so overboard with it that the "hint" gets across. Others love to get involved with such a sketch. Other times I'll simply put on an open smile and say "it's OK to ask me something if you want to, it's a lot easier to ask me about me as others don't know my business". Whether I'll answer the question and with what details is another thing, but it has lightened up situations many times. If beyond obvious judgemental? Not going to bother educating, but do use my humor in my own head so to say. In a very rare of such case when all the odds come together (beyond bad humor, beyond bad day, beyond unacceptable comments etc. etc.) I might not be so nice. Snap or stare back or comment back. Not only makes me feel worse eventually but hardly ever helps.

Kids are the best "weapon" ever in this! And there are loads of them at WDW. Kids are open, honest, have no idea of political correctness or whatever. They'll simply make a comment, look or ask. Love that additude and always "reward" it when aware. Will answer questions in an appropriate way, talk with them on their level or engage a look connecting to whatever they are looking at and how. They will simply accept what is or ask more questions if they don't understand yet. Fine by me. Sure enough, most of the times one such kid will result in me seeing lightbulbs going off over the heads of many other adults or teenagers in line. Score so far still results in kids looking (and pointing and screaming about me) more often than not because they have a positive sentiment. Love the fabric of my chair, love something I wear, love my wheels that light up, love my Animal-joystick, you name it. Not just that, but also can't count the times anymore where before you know it such a kid will "correct" or educate an adult or other child when they notice a stare, comment or whatever.
 
:sad1:Oh dear, I was just trying to say that my son would be polite and give his seat and it seems to have blown up into something more :crazy2:
 
I fall into the category of "but you don't look sick", and am very self conscious about comments and stares. Through suggestion of family I have started to look at things from a forced different perspective "maybe they are just curious", "maybe they are trying to help" (prime example of the stroller as a wheelchair comments), "maybe they are just looking at ME and not my disabilities". Obviously there are many cases where someone is being truly rude, and those I try my hardest not to respond or let it get to me. Being self conscious this is very tough for me to try to look at these perspectives before getting torqued off, but I am trying.

When I was able bodied, I would give my seat to anyone who I thought needed it more than I did. Not because of societal norms, but because I wanted to. This many times was elderly, mothers with young children. Now that I can no longer stand on a bus, I too wait until there is a seat available before boarding. Now, I am extremely uncomfortable with all of the comments about "able bodied men" not giving up their seats for "...whatever...", I get glares and comments. I now much prefer using my own transportation because of these issues.
 
I've experienced public transit bus drivers and train conductors making similar announcements voluntarily on my behalf.
Bus driver: "this bus isn't moving until this woman has a seat!" (five or six people stood)
 
I've experienced public transit bus drivers and train conductors making similar announcements voluntarily on my behalf.
Bus driver: "this bus isn't moving until this woman has a seat!" (five or six people stood)

I'm always a bit bemused by that situation, don't get me wrong, I'm always impressed when a bus driver stands up for me because it doesn't happen often, and I know I'm a little overweight, but I don't think I'm big enough to need 6 seats... :rotfl2::confused3
 
I've experienced public transit bus drivers and train conductors making similar announcements voluntarily on my behalf.
Bus driver: "this bus isn't moving until this woman has a seat!" (five or six people stood)

Boy, I try to be a compassionate person, but that would really make me angry.

My husband is physically disabled (back), and if a bus is standing-room only, we decide on a case by case basis whether he can manage to stand for that ride or whether we want to wait for the next bus.

There's always another bus.
 
Boy, I try to be a compassionate person, but that would really make me angry.

My husband is physically disabled (back), and if a bus is standing-room only, we decide on a case by case basis whether he can manage to stand for that ride or whether we want to wait for the next bus.

There's always another bus.

Yes, we know, it's incredibly rude to ask for someone to get up. We get it. We're terrible people for even considering asking for a seat.

By the way, I believe in the case you quoted, the poster was talking about public transit, not disney transit, you know, the kind of transit that has signs like this: http://www.grt.ca/en/accessibility/resources/Priorityseating.jpg. As in, dedicated seating for people with disabilities that people who don't have disabilities are supposed to give up for those who do.
 
I really do think there's a huge difference between WDW transportation and public transportation. Where I grew up, public transportation is partially public funded meaning tax dollars. That alone makes a huge difference. In addition, at WDW there are limitted starting point to a route while public transportation there is a continuous loop. At WDW, if you wait for another bus then typically you'll be the first person on that next bus meaning you'll get a seat. With public transportation even if you wait for 10 more busses chances are they'll have approximately the same number of people already on it so you'll never end up with a bus unless you wait hours for completely off peak travel periods and in some cities that concept hardly exists. You can't compare WDW transportation to real world.

The trip we took where DH had a hernia causing doubling over pain if he had to use the muscles required to keep him balanced on a moving bus, we did not ask people to give up his seat to him. We had the option to wait for another bus if there was standing room only. I didn't feel that it was right to put others in the position of having to explain why they wouldn't give up their seats that they were just as entitled to as we were. We had the option to wait. We were typically on busses which were not standing room only because I'm a huge advocate of using touring plans so typically there weren't crowds but the few times there was standing room only we would just wait for another bus.
 
Yes, we know, it's incredibly rude to ask for someone to get up. We get it. We're terrible people for even considering asking for a seat.

By the way, I believe in the case you quoted, the poster was talking about public transit, not disney transit, you know, the kind of transit that has signs like this: http://www.grt.ca/en/accessibility/resources/Priorityseating.jpg. As in, dedicated seating for people with disabilities that people who don't have disabilities are supposed to give up for those who do.

Disney also has signs posted on the windows letting guest know the same thing all disney buses meet ada requirements.
 
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