Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

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Wow these legal proceedings are becoming very interesting. From the child labor laws potentially being broken to the new allegations that Jon Gosselin is a coccaine user with a sex tape.

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977898211&grpId=3659174697244816

on Gosselin and sex should never be placed in the same sentence. Unfortunately I have a story for you involving both.

According to the National Enquirer, Jon Gosselin is a cocaine user and has a sex tape. That “Father of the Year” award just keeps slipping further and further from his reach.

The tabloid claims that Jon’s bodyguard Thomas Meinelt knows all: he’s seen Jon Gosselin snort cocaine, and to get even more personal, he’s seen the sex tape. According to the bodyguard, Jon’s posse set the reality star up in a room with a girl whom he ended up having sex with. Little did Jon Gosselin know that he was being videotaped. Though something tells me this fame ***** wouldn’t have objected to it anyway. Since I care to keep my retinas intact, I will not be watching this “celebrity” sex tape anytime soon.

Score one for TLC! If this doesn’t help them win their lawsuit against Jon Gosselin, I don’t know what will.
 
Ok, I have not been keeping up with the J&K thread of late but wanted to stop by and ask a question.

I heard an ad on the radio for Entertainment Tonight and Mary Hart says....."Tonight we will tell you where we found Hailey Glassman after her break-up with Jon Gosselin.".....so are those two no longer together? :confused3
 
Ok, I have not been keeping up with the J&K thread of late but wanted to stop by and ask a question.

I heard an ad on the radio for Entertainment Tonight and Mary Hart says....."Tonight we will tell you where we found Hailey Glassman after her break-up with Jon Gosselin.".....so are those two no longer together? :confused3

It depends.. What day is it today? :lmao:

On a more serious note, I don't know..:goodvibes
 
I thought there was a rumored sex tape with the school teacher? Am I remembering that right?

No, that one was of Deanna with her old boyfriend apparently. This new one seems to be Jon with some girl in a hotel room. The story sounds ridiculous, it's also alledging that he uses cocaine. Where the heck is that link? Hold on...I think it was examiner or something...

Here it is, I think it sounds outlandish:

http://www.examiner.com/x-704-Pop-M...lleged-sex-tape-scandal-but-is-it-really-true
 
I hope it's just the Enquirer being the Enquirer. This is stuff that really has the potential to hurt the kids and Jon's chances of getting a 'real' job.

ITA, but I wouldn't go as far as calling it outlandish. It would be a shame if it is true, but I wouldn't be shocked. I believe the sex tape more than the cocaine. I can see someone doing that to Jon, he doesn't surround himself with the best people. I wonder how TLC would have found out about the tape though?
 
While I sincerely hope the cocaine use is just another ugly rumor, I have to say that it is the first plausible explanation for Kate suddenly filing for divorce this summer to "protect her children." Maybe she found out about the drug usage and had enough.
 
if you go to the actual national enquirer site you'll see that the person claiming all of this is the supposed former fling/nanny (stephanie?) who claims the bodyguard told HER. so thus far it does'nt seem like the bodyguard has testified or publicly stated any of this.

if this is indeed true (about the sex tape) whomever was involved in setting this up could find it coming back to bite them in the :scared1:. first off, paying a person to have sex with another person is illegal in california. secondly, it is illegal in california to video tape anyone in a private place (such as a hotel room) without both parties expressed prior permission. both of these acts are criminal, and they can and have been prosecuted in the past.

jon would have the option of also pursuing civil charges against anyone who engaged in or facilitated this taping. i would imagine that he could also pursue civil action against the bodyguard/the company the bodyguard works through-depending on how their contract is written up, the bodyguard disclosing the existence of this tape to a 3rd party (absent a supeona from a court action) could be a major violation.

all personalities aside-october was less than a month ago, jon and kate are legaly separated and while it might be in poor taste/judgement for a man to 'hook up' and engage in sex with someone he just met, it is'nt illegal. it is however illegal for the woman he hooked up with to have entered into a financial agreement for doing so, for whomever made the agreement to have done so, and for unauthorized taping to have occured.
 
I hope it's just the Enquirer being the Enquirer. This is stuff that really has the potential to hurt the kids and Jon's chances of getting a 'real' job.

Then he has a duty to sue if it is not. No tabloid has the legal right to publish lies that are damaging to a person.

ETA: with lawsuits on the line and a divorce, he certainly will be damaged if these items are not true. Take the news anchor who is suing some guy for drilling a hole in an adjacent hotel room and filming her. She didn't let that go very long at all...practically sued ASAP.
 
While I sincerely hope the cocaine use is just another ugly rumor, I have to say that it is the first plausible explanation for Kate suddenly filing for divorce this summer to "protect her children." Maybe she found out about the drug usage and had enough.

Is there anyone here with "experience" able to determine if that can explain maybe how Jon has looked or behaved in the past 6-9 months.

To me he appears quite different than when he was with Kate--even when he didn't enjoy being with Kate. And I don't mean different in a good way.

Sadly if any of this is true, this will damage his potential for custody as well.
 
:goodvibes
I am definitely in your world. It is all for the protection of the kids. I do add the proviso that I include some elements of spousal abuse in the situation. I speak out against that too.

I do get a bit hot and bothered over the number of posters who want to say that certain stuff is OK because there is no existing law against it. Yet. If there is not a law against it does that make it right? Or common sense? Or responsible parenting? Hmmm.

Common sense says: Children under a certain age should wear helmets when riding bikes on or off the road. Responsible parenting should make decent parents buy and require helmets for their bike-riding children.

Apparently we can't rely on common sense or responsible parenting to prevent injuries to children riding bikes without helmets. That makes some states (but apparently not PA) in response to voters annoyance and the filing of legislation by various concerned citizens to enact laws to attempt to enforce the wearing of helmets by children on bikes.

Take that analogy to responsible filming . . . and that is my point! I will not belabor it!

One time they didn't require car seats either in cars--that is neither here nor there.

FWIW--I don't agree with Jon and Kate's parenting choices at times--however, their kids or not my kids. If they are not breaking laws, then they aren't breaking laws. I don't have to agree with what they do to defend their right to do it under present laws. How many times has this been discussed on the DIS ad nauseum.

For example--the parent that asked if she should permit her daughter to go see Lady GaGa. Certainly not a choice I would make, but not an illegal choice. However, she asked and I provided my response. She's free to make her own choices even if I do not agree with them. However several parents popped in seeing nothing wrong with going to the concert with a responsible adult. Again--not a choice I would make. But I am not responsible for their children and that discretion is theirs alone.

The legality of what they do is quite important.

And I don't know where you live--but no--most legislation is not retroactive.:confused3

I.e if they decided to lower the legal limit for drunk driving, they would not be able to go retroactively and charge folks who were under the old legal limit if they are now over the new legal limit.

Your point is moot.

(also--they didn't go retroatively and bust parents who weren't having their kids wear helmets before their was a helmet law.)
 
Is there anyone here with "experience" able to determine if that can explain maybe how Jon has looked or behaved in the past 6-9 months.

To me he appears quite different than when he was with Kate--even when he didn't enjoy being with Kate. And I don't mean different in a good way.

Sadly if any of this is true, this will damage his potential for custody as well.



custody-maybe, maybe not.

sadly, unless a person can prove that a parent's legal or illegal activities (including drug use) creates an abusive, endangering or neglectful environment for their children to be exposed to it can be very difficult to use it regarding some custody issues.

i was horrified at the kind of legal/illegal activities my former social services clients engaged in (drugs/alcohol/prostitution) but because they were proven not to place their children at risk in the course of these activities (or they took place when the children were not present/had no residual effect when the kids were) there was no basis for the courts to deny custody. reams and reams of documentation and court records that proved beyond the shadow of a doubt what mom and or dad was doing but absent proof there was nothing anyone could do (and some cases involved VERY high dollar-seen at least one since on nancy grace as a commentator- lawyers on the side of the parent wanting full custody from the offending other parent).
 
I think the drug use and sex tape are possible.

The drug use would explain his quick change in behavior. You hear about it all the time in normal families where someone is stressed and starts doing some illegal drugs to cope. It wouldn't be the first time. Many things would make sense if this were true. Yet even if it is true, I don't know if all of his actions can be blamed on drug use.

As for the sex tape, those are so common nowadays that I would not be shocked at all if it were true. Only time will tell. We will see ... and by see, I don't mean the sex tape. Ughhhhh :sick:
 
if you go to the actual national enquirer site you'll see that the person claiming all of this is the supposed former fling/nanny (stephanie?) who claims the bodyguard told HER.


well, then... that makes much more sense. what a train wreck. hopefully it isn't true.
 
well, then... that makes much more sense. what a train wreck. hopefully it isn't true.

And to think they let that woman (Stephanie) be around the children! I'll give Kate that one for her 'intuition'. I hope they've gotten a handle on who is around the kids and screen them or something. At least Jon is her target. And I still think TLC released her from a confidentiality agreement as long as she slams Jon and I wouldn't put it above anyone to be compensating her to make stuff up to ruin him.

That said, I wouldn't be too surprised if either allegation were true but I don't think it's very likely.
 
I think the drug use and sex tape are possible.

I think they are possible as well based on Jon's lifestyle and behavior over the last 10 months. However, if this sex tape is real it will become public. If we don't hear anymore about it then it is most likely not true, IMO.

Meanwhile, Jon thinks he is too famous for a real job. :lmao:

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/exclusive-im-too-famous-regular-job-jon-gosselin-says-new-court-papers

Jon is being ridiculous, where there is a will there is a way. I wish he would just come out and say "I don't want a real job". That at least would be honest.

My husband is an IT guy and he works for a company out of Tennessee that creates banking software. DH is a remote employee, which means he works entirely from our home that is in Oklahoma. He doesn't even leave the house. Most companies in this field have remote employees these days.
 
I missed you guys too much :flower3:

I hope it's just the Enquirer being the Enquirer. This is stuff that really has the potential to hurt the kids and Jon's chances of getting a 'real' job.

Yes, I think it is. Here's the quote from the original article:
"Tom told me that Jon was secretly videotaped having sex with a woman in Los Angeles in October, and he's seen the tape!" said Stephanie Santoro, Jon's former flame and family nanny.

"Tom said people close to Jon put a camera in his hotel room, and paid a girl to flirt with Jon and have sex with him.

"He also told me that he saw Jon snort cocaine on more than one occasion, and that the more Jon got into partying, the more cocaine he used!"


http://www.nationalenquirer.com/jon_gosselin_sext_tape_scandal_cocaine_use_alleged_lose_custody/celebrity/67655

I was going to avoid this topic altogether, but it was such an easy call for me. If people want to believe this story, then ceteris parabis they also have to believe that Mady saw Kate kissing Steve (because a former nanny might have said so)

No, that one was of Deanna with her old boyfriend apparently.

Yes, and it was an audio tape. I feel sorry for Deanna, more than anybody excepting the kids -- she lets her former drug dealer brother stay with her while he's on probation and look what he does to her. This wasn't really a J&K issue, but a private family issue which we never needed to know about.

Then he has a duty to sue if it is not. No tabloid has the legal right to publish lies that are damaging to a person.

The Enquirer has covered themselves very well on this one -- the entire article is written as Stephanie says this, Stephanie says that. And that is the truth. The only one hanging out there in the wind is Stephanie (and I've noted before that the cost of going after her is likely not worth the lawsuit -- Jon actually can't stop her from talking about anything, and his legal team likely figures she'll eventually discredit herself)

Is there anyone here with "experience" able to determine if that can explain maybe how Jon has looked or behaved in the past 6-9 months.

To me he appears quite different than when he was with Kate--even when he didn't enjoy being with Kate. And I don't mean different in a good way.

Sadly if any of this is true, this will damage his potential for custody as well.

Sadly, I do -- former jobs. Many prescription medications, especially anti-depressants could cause some of the symptoms you are talking about, including weight gain. This is especially true if a person has to try different medications to get to the right one. Whether his behaviour is really what has been relayed to us by the tabloids is a whole other topic.

As for custody, it may have a bearing on how the custody dispute plays out ie. if Kate's team wants to use that in court. I wouldn't be surprised to find that they have asked for him to be drug-tested, or that his legal team has already begun regular testing at an independent lab to be proactive (if they are any good at all, they should do this)

custody-maybe, maybe not.

sadly, unless a person can prove that a parent's legal or illegal activities (including drug use) creates an abusive, endangering or neglectful environment for their children to be exposed to it can be very difficult to use it regarding some custody issues.

i was horrified at the kind of legal/illegal activities my former social services clients engaged in (drugs/alcohol/prostitution) but because they were proven not to place their children at risk in the course of these activities (or they took place when the children were not present/had no residual effect when the kids were) there was no basis for the courts to deny custody. reams and reams of documentation and court records that proved beyond the shadow of a doubt what mom and or dad was doing but absent proof there was nothing anyone could do (and some cases involved VERY high dollar-seen at least one since on nancy grace as a commentator- lawyers on the side of the parent wanting full custody from the offending other parent).

I see your experience is the same as mine. When I ran programs for new mothers, we were the ones complaining to the social workers about some of the things we observed. Rarely did it have any effect, even though the situations were much more extreme than anything that Jon has been alleged to do.

I think that's all I have to say about that whole subject.

Now, for the Jon vs TLC court battle. Just wanted to note that the reason Jon is not suing on behalf of the kids is because it is a counter-claim. Since the kids are not a party to the original lawsuit, they could not be a party to the counter-claim -- that would have to be a completely different lawsuit, and I'm not sure whether Jon could file such a petition without agreement from Kate.

The other thing is that the counter-claim was a necessary step in order to broaden the scope of the case, otherwise it would only be about whether Jon did/didn't do what TLC alleged, and whether those actions would violate the terms of the contract (or more precisely, the parts of the contract that TLC was willing to open up to the scrutiny of the court). The effect of the counter-claim is to allow Jon's team to prove that either the contract was void given the illegality of specific sections of it, or that any actions which might have been considered breach were reasonable given TLC's behaviour ie. the best defense is a good offense. It also makes it more likely that the case will be settled, if only because TLC does not want everything about the show, the contract, the family, etc to be made public.
 
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