Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

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Jon may or may not have low self-esteem, but when he said that he can't write, speak or even breathe correctly it was his passive-aggressive way of saying remember all the crappy things Kate says to me.

And she does tell him those things...on camera. I might complain about or snap at my husband, but I'm sure I'd censor myself on camera.

They didn't communicate well as a couple.
 
This picture really speaks a thousands words doesn't it.

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:sad2: I had forgotten she wrote that on her blog. I think they both didn't want to be in that house together so agreed for Jon to have a weekend away.

Some people mentioned Jon's self-esteem last night when asked if the roles were reversed and it was him out doing the books, tours. His response that he can't write, some people say he can't talk well or even breath right was sad. I wonder if he just can't handle Kate telling him what to do all the time and how to do it right. As a child, my Dad always told my sister and I that we were stupid or morons and honestly to this day, I have the worst self-esteem. It makes my DH crazy because I second guess my abilities and he (my DH) being the awesome man he is, constantly tells me that I am capable. So, I'm sure it's been a bad pattern for 10 years and he has to deal with feeling inadequate. It's just too ridiculous, this whole thing. Was being on TV and making all the $ worth the sacrifice of your marriage? :confused3


Exactly what I was saying - You can't be told that everything you are doing, at all times, is wrong, not good enough, or that your not helping correctly - no one can live up to Kates standards and demands. Its going to effect you in some way - and after 10+ years of that, its starting to show!
I saw one show durring the marathon when she was looking to hire a maid - the maid cleaned the house, and hadn't moved books inside a shelf and cleaned the shelf - there was a small amount of dust or whatever - she was fired for that. She even said "I don't know whos standards this would be up to...." To me, being so upset about something so minor is just sad.

Kevin (Kate's brother) and Jodi (Kate's sister in law) did a video interview and radaronline posted it in segments.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-interview-jon-kates-secret-marriage-contract

There are I believe 3 segments so look to the right for related posts to see the others.

Thanks!
 
This picture really speaks a thousands words doesn't it.

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What does it say? All I see is a shot probably taken in a sequence of shots. If you did that with my kids you would see them looking the same way. You can't really tell what the crew is doing so they could be talking about somehting.
 
Ok before I say what I want to say I need to stipulate somethings.

1) No I did not watch the show last night. I think they need to stop filming and deal with their life, so that was my little protest. I only have seen what was on GMA this morning and the clips that were out promoting the show.

2) I am putting on my flame retardent clothes

I feel like Kate is a master manipulator. She cried when being interviewed. But then you see her on the back of Paul Sr. chopper looking at the paparazzi smiling. She's joking with Emeril. Smiling while leaving Target. Come on I have had friend who have had their marriages fall a part and other life altering tradiges and they look miserable all the time. I feel that if she cried during the interview it was to try and gain sympathy. Maybe everyone will run out and get Team Kate T-shirts.

As far as Jon being miserable as the SAHP. Are we surprised??? No As a SAHM I know at first it's fine but then one day you wake up and realize that you are no longer you, your just A's mom. You've lost your identity. Now lets face it with a man their identy is wrapped up in what they do. How many times does guy A meet guy B and the first question out of his mouth is, "what do you do for a living?"

Ok rant over. I'm hitting the showers.
 
Here's my 2 cents (and only mine). Jon has checked out mentally. When he said "I've worked my whole life..." Sorry but I couldn't even hear the end of the sentence. Worked his whole life. What the heck does that mean??? :confused3 How friggin' old is he? He hasn't worked the last few years. TLC, and sponsors, have paid for his entire existence!! I am the working parent in our home. DH is disabled. I'm not looking for a pat on the back but for goodness sake stop the damn whining. I hate grownups that whine.

What he meant is that he WANTS to get out and work. He is the type of guy that wants to provide for the family and not sit home and watch the kids. He's said this before in other episodes. Now he can't do that and he's lost.

I watched last night and I can't believe this show is still on. It's rediculous now that John's still even on the show, they obviously are 'seperated'. Kate still seems like she LOVES the media attention.

The things both of them were saying makes me think that they are totally done. Kate got what she wanted, to continue with her "career".
 
I don't see what this picture says at all. Sorry :confused3

To me it really shows the direction of the show. If you look at all of the pictures from JustJared.com you will see that the latests episodes that have been filmed are all about Jon and Kate. Poor little Joel standing off to the side...
 
I think the picture clearly illustrates that the show is going on, it's business as usual at the Gosselins. So yes, our marriage is falling apart and yes our kids are aware but don't worry, the show is more important. Joel standing on the outside looking in is rather poetic in a way...:sad1:
 
Ok before I say what I want to say I need to stipulate somethings.

1) No I did not watch the show last night. I think they need to stop filming and deal with their life, so that was my little protest. I only have seen what was on GMA this morning and the clips that were out promoting the show.

2) I am putting on my flame retardent clothes

I feel like Kate is a master manipulator. She cried when being interviewed. But then you see her on the back of Paul Sr. chopper looking at the paparazzi smiling. She's joking with Emeril. Smiling while leaving Target. Come on I have had friend who have had their marriages fall a part and other life altering tradiges and they look miserable all the time. I feel that if she cried during the interview it was to try and gain sympathy. Maybe everyone will run out and get Team Kate T-shirts.

As far as Jon being miserable as the SAHP. Are we surprised??? No As a SAHM I know at first it's fine but then one day you wake up and realize that you are no longer you, your just A's mom. You've lost your identity. Now lets face it with a man their identy is wrapped up in what they do. How many times does guy A meet guy B and the first question out of his mouth is, "what do you do for a living?"

Ok rant over. I'm hitting the showers.


My husband I discussed this last night and I feel the exact same way you do about Jon and being a SAHP. I know I feel like I have lost my identity also being a SAHM. I could not imagine being a man and having that feeling.
 
Ok before I say what I want to say I need to stipulate somethings.

1) No I did not watch the show last night. I think they need to stop filming and deal with their life, so that was my little protest. I only have seen what was on GMA this morning and the clips that were out promoting the show.

2) I am putting on my flame retardent clothes

I feel like Kate is a master manipulator. She cried when being interviewed. But then you see her on the back of Paul Sr. chopper looking at the paparazzi smiling. She's joking with Emeril. Smiling while leaving Target. Come on I have had friend who have had their marriages fall a part and other life altering tradiges and they look miserable all the time. I feel that if she cried during the interview it was to try and gain sympathy. Maybe everyone will run out and get Team Kate T-shirts.

As far as Jon being miserable as the SAHP. Are we surprised??? No As a SAHM I know at first it's fine but then one day you wake up and realize that you are no longer you, your just A's mom. You've lost your identity. Now lets face it with a man their identy is wrapped up in what they do. How many times does guy A meet guy B and the first question out of his mouth is, "what do you do for a living?"

Ok rant over. I'm hitting the showers.


No flame thrower here - I think your right. I'm not saying that shes the most terrible person in the world, but I think she knows how to control things, and try to get people to see her side of everything.
 
I think the picture clearly illustrates that the show is going on, it's business as usual at the Gosselins. So yes, our marriage is falling apart and yes our kids are aware but don't worry, the show is more important. Joel standing on the outside looking in is rather poetic in a way...:sad1:

Gosh I would hate for people to see what goes on in my house. Yesterday we were outside and my oldest son was indoors. I am sure people could say that we don't care about him and we made him stay indoors, we love our other children better:rotfl2:

Please, the picture showed nothing except that the show is still going on. You can see Kate talking to someone on the staff. They were not filming at that time
 
Gosh I would hate for people to see what goes on in my house. Yesterday we were outside and my oldest son was indoors. I am sure people could say that we don't care about him and we made him stay indoors, we love our other children better:rotfl2:

Please, the picture showed nothing except that the show is still going on. You can see Kate talking to someone on the staff. They were not filming at that time

Exactly, the show is going on. After all the drama of last night, the show is going on. After realizing the kids are aware of J&K's problems, the show is going on. After seeing Kate cry and say she doesn't know the solution, the show is going on. After hearing sweet Alexis tell Jon she doesn't want him to leave again, the show is going on. It just doesn't make sense, those kids need time to figure out what is going on, they need their parents and reassurance. Not another stupid episode of "Coming up next on Jon and Kate plus 8..."
 
I have been a fan of the show since it was only on in the form of specials prior to the series. That being said the last year has been a struggle to enjoy. it was no longer how a normal family deal with this situation. It was how do we milk this for all its worth? Kate's larger than life mouth just got bigger and bigger as did her ego.

Its interestingt o go back and read some editoral comments from their local papers. Its very enlightening. Kate is by no means the person she tries to appear to be.

Jon made it clear at the end of last season he no longer wanted to continue the show. But Kate choses the show over keeping her family together. Advice: If family is your priority. Stop the show and focus on your family instead of your personal trainer, spa, tanning bed, etc.
 
AN OUTSTANDING ARTICLE/REVIEW BY THE WASHINGTON POST
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'Jon & Kate Plus 8,' TV's 10-Passenger Family Train Wreck, Returns for a Fifth Voyeuristic Season

By Hank Stuever
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, May 25, 2009

Jon and Kate Gosselin come back to television tonight for a fifth season of "Jon & Kate Plus 8" (TLC at 9), trying like crazy to keep up appearances and hold fast to the essential myth they've projected: We're just a normal suburban family with a bunch of matching children, and gosh, it's insane sometimes, but faith and love -- and free merchandise and trips -- will see us through!

Meanwhile, a growing audience ravenously awaits the couple's marital immolation in the burbs of Berks County, Pa. The schadenfreude circle of manufactured celebrity is nearly complete, as "Jon & Kate" (forget the pitiable eight) now becomes a very different TV-watching experience. It's as if a mean genie lives in the tube, making our worst wishes come true.

Jon stands accused of having an affair (which he denies, despite the usual telephoto-lens paparazzi evidence and the anonymous dog pile of quotes from acquaintances who've dished to Us Weekly, et al.), and while technically evasive on details, he is quite open about his overall unhappiness: He doesn't want to be a TV star. He never got to sow his oats in his 20s, as he was too busy submitting to the fertility specialist's beaker. He's a prisoner in the $1.1 million home that reality TV forced him into. He is withered by the succubus he married, a shell of a man, staring at the camera with dead eyes.

Kate, the unapologetic and sometimes deeply cutting nag, now tours the country, relentlessly promoting books of her feel-good, quasi-spiritual, best-selling parenting advice. She wears that bizarrely unattractive soccer mom hair helmet (asymmetrical in front, spiky in back) that should be anyone's cue to give her wide berth, lest she claw you to death. The Gosselins' neighbors bad-mouth them to the press. Rumors recently went around that Kate is too close to her handsome bodyguard. (Security detail: In just two short years, it's come to that.) From this bunker crouch, she recently poured her heart out to People: She doesn't know what to believe about Jon. She's not as bad a person as people say. The glare of celebrity is all too hot, but she's doing this for the children.

The children. This is what got us here -- our strange preoccupation with people who have litters. A nation of former latchkey children raised on "Brady Bunch" reruns and the unshakable feeling that bigger families were always the happiest, now ask: Can the Gosselins find peace? Of course they can, but to do so, they would have to unplug the fame machine and give back the freebies: They've reportedly made millions from the show, starting with an estimated $25,000 to $75,000 fee per episode, plus DVD and book sales, plus speaking engagements. They've received everything from a tummy tuck (her) to hair plugs (him), and a variety of gratis trips and goodies.

Which means this is not a documentary in any true sense nor is it reality. In searching for a word that describes "Jon & Kate Plus 8," the subtlest forms of the word "abuse" spring to mind, which, alas, is why the show is so alluring.

The Gosselins have twin daughters (Madelyn and Cara), 8, and sextuplets (Alexis, Hannah, Leah; Aaden, Collin and Joel), who will turn 5 in tonight's premiere at a screamy chaotic party.

"I cannot believe they are 5," Kate tells the camera (in the same tone of voice most of us would say "I cannot believe what Bernie Madoff has done"). She is deadly serious about the intensity of what she perceives to be extraordinary motherhood. The experience of starring in a TV show about her world has given her the horrifying validation of her brood's importance. "It gives me, like, a heart attack thinking about it. My youngest kids are 5 years old. It's not just a birthday; it's a celebration that we have made it five years. . . . You never get their fifth birthday back again. It's huge."

We've all known (or read the blog of) an intense mother who cannot shut up about every banal detail of the household, who (as Kate does) surrounds herself in the minutiae of the mundane -- the trips to Gymboree, the perky Bible verses on her kitchen wall. Of the unanswered mysteries in "Jon & Kate Plus 8" (what does he see in her? what could the sex possibly be like?), the most disturbing mystery is why we are compelled to watch. A typical episode serves up the sort of thing most of us would do well to avoid, especially if we already live it 24-7: temper tantrums over toys, screaming fits over sharing, toilet mishaps, minivan voyages to nowhere and back.

"Jon & Kate Plus 8" debuted in 2007 as TLC shifted from home-makeover shows (we're a long way from the quaint voyeurism of "Trading Spaces") to explorations of the domestic extreme. When it's not "Jon & Kate Plus 8," it's "18 Kids and Counting," the epically backward (and eerily sweet) story of the pious, home schooling Duggar clan in Arkansas or "Table for 12," which similarly chronicles the unremarkable Hayeses, a policeman and his wife who've two-upped the Gosselins in head count. This amounts to a lot of family time, which America, inundated with a decade or more of "family values" culture disputes, apparently hungers for. As to the relative ratings successes of TLC's "multiples" shows, prevailing theses involve some untreated, deeper loneliness in us, a fascination for the crowded house and the soothing effects of belonging to the pack.

Also there's the anachronistic, psychological freak show: Daddy is a sure-shooter and Mommy's body is a clown car; we have no purpose other than to eat, sleep, argue, reproduce and grow. Perpetuation of the family gene pool is our only purpose, and all costs (material or emotional) are beside the point. Biologically this makes some animal sense, and it's no accident, at least on my dial, that these shows play out so close to the travails of the Serengeti.

"Jon & Kate Plus 8" rarely takes time to show any activity that would suggest an intellectual or unselfish pursuit. The focus is on structured play, adhering to the schedule, wearing matching outfits, eating matching food. It's like a holiday update letter that never ends, in which the Gosselins are mainly seen consuming resources. (Hip to this, a recent "Jon & Kate" special focused on "going green.")

One look at Jon, and you know he's ready for it to end. TLC did not provide the usual preview episode to critics, as it surely scrambled to recut the season opener to address what everyone at the checkout line now knows: The Gosselins have moved again, this time to another planet.

I realize children are involved -- and I await eight separate and contradictory memoirs, years from now -- but the producers err seriously in trying to stick to the original, cutesy story line. This thing has evolved into something Greek, something Shakespearean, something corrosive that we in the chorus (example: see the Web site called Gosselins Without Pity) love to agonize and scream over. "Jon & Kate Plus 8" should be avoided at all costs, which means the DVR should be set to capture every moment.
 
Again. Is Kate really different in parenting from you all? Sorry, but you're acting like saints looking down on the sinner.


I think you are being unfair here. These are people stating their OPINIONS. None of us here act like we're better than Kate. Some us here have admitted that we are a lot like her, in fact. :confused3

But I can't help but watch this show without wondering why she's doing this and why she is doing that. And if I were to put myself in the VERY public eye like she has, then I'd expect to have people question me, as well. None of us here are perfect and none of us here proclaim to be, either. I've yet to see one post that says, "Hey, Kate. Do it MY way." JMO.
 
I think you are being unfair here. These are people stating their OPINIONS. None of us here act like we're better than Kate. Some us here have admitted that we are a lot like her, in fact. :confused3

But I can't help but watch this show without wondering why she's doing this and why she is doing that. And if I were to put myself in the VERY public eye like she has, then I'd expect to have people question me, as well. None of us here are perfect and none of us here proclaim to be, either. I've yet to see one post that says, "Hey, Kate. Do it MY way." JMO.

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I thought last night's show was sad. I'm not a huge fan of Kate, but I felt sorry for her. Yes, maybe it was all an act, if so, it worked on me. I thought Jon was pretty hostile and very immature. I've always thought that about Jon though. Yes, Kate pushes him around, but at the same time he seems the type that needs lots of direction. For all Jon's whining, you sure don't see him turning down any of the perks. Does he think he'd be able to have a sportscar, a motorcycle and a condo in Salt Lake without the show? I don't believe for a second that Jon really wants to go to work everyday, I think what he really wants is to stay home without the responsibility of maintaining it and watching the kids. He thinks of himself as a cool party guy and he wants that lifestyle WITH all the extras he gets from the show.

Does Kate have some serious issues? Yep, she she sure does, but she is not as reckless as Jon. Jon is mad because he got caught and is being forced to take the heat.
 
I think you are being unfair here. These are people stating their OPINIONS. None of us here act like we're better than Kate. Some us here have admitted that we are a lot like her, in fact. :confused3

But I can't help but watch this show without wondering why she's doing this and why she is doing that. And if I were to put myself in the VERY public eye like she has, then I'd expect to have people question me, as well. None of us here are perfect and none of us here proclaim to be, either. I've yet to see one post that says, "Hey, Kate. Do it MY way." JMO.

I believe I am better then Kate. I have my faults yes, but I would never allow my kids to be part of this and I would never put my fame before my family, so yes I am better then Kate and I am not ashamed to admit it.
 
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