Star Wars Episode 9 Loses Director and JJ Abrams is back

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  1. airsdaddy

    airsdaddy Earning My Ears

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    The Schwartz!
     
  2. lockedoutlogic

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    I disagee...

    I thinks it's been a VERY INSPIRED, high budget, complete reboot
     
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  4. TheMaxRebo

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    It does, and I think we are on the same page - that she is next in line but not literally Anakin
     
  5. ShadeDK

    ShadeDK Permanently Staying in Room 237

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    I hope we find out what Rey's midichlorian count is and that that particular piece of Jedi technology wasn't lost at the end of the Clone Wars. Inquiring minds want to know. If she is Anakin reincarnate, was it some kind of purgatory thing having him come back on Jakku? We know how he feels about sand.

    Following the OT, SW has had a villain problem. Vader is one of the most iconic bad guys of all time - and a really good bad guy makes for compelling cinema (you can call it the "Joker imperative" or the "Hannibal Lecter corollary" or whatever to make it sound serious - but the truth is no one is watching "Silence of the Lambs" just for Clarice Starling). Of all the things NOT to follow or repeat, the remaining movies haven't gone that route. I'd hoped Kylo Ren had promise on that front - but then he was less "Vader in the OT" and more "Anakin in the PT". All his purported conflict came across like an emo kid at the Seven Hill mall torn between whether to get the Avenged Sevenfold or Distrubed tee at Hot Topic - I half expected him to just say forget it and sulk off to Toschii Station to pick up some power converters.
     
  6. lockedoutlogic

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    Completely agree about the villains...

    It shouldn't be that tough to build somebody to loathe...

    mcDiarmid did it brilliantly...in 1983...then was a cartoon of himself in the others.

    The "tortured" ren was I think due to trying to set up a forced, already done,"Redemption" angle.

    We'll find out when they build the new deathstar...probably.

    Let's admit it: even though the movements in tbe "slash" scene were a tad "off"...those two Vader scenes in rogue one really added a ton to the whole story...made it a no nonsense "good vs bad" story instead of a family group therapy episode.

    Those scenes and the squid lead space battle...the stuff that worked in the 80's still works...

    I hope a lesson learned...but I was at the toy store and they have Furbys in episode 8...so not optimistic.
     
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  7. TheMaxRebo

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  8. lockedoutlogic

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    :rotfl:
     
  9. mcjaco

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    Totally agree about the post about these movies being directed at kids. My two 5 year olds love the prequels (especially Jar-Jar), which makes me cringe, BUT I can sit through Attack of the Clones, and Revenge of the Sith (of which my kids don't get to see the ending). I was 4 when ANH came out, and 6 when it was re-released for a short time before ESB. I vividly remember ESB in the theater, and especially RTJ. Watching my kids get excited about these movies takes me back. In all honesty, that's what it's all about.

    That being said, I enjoyed TFA. I, like lockedoutlogic, have a hard time watching it all the way through. I lose my excitement after the battle at Maz's Temple. I'm hoping there's some serious plot twists in TLJ, but don't have much hope. I love Rogue One. I've watched that far more than TFA. I thought it was more true to the story telling roots of the originals.

    I'm also a huge fan of Rebels. Again, it's something I can watch with my kids, and they love it. The characters are pretty well thought out, there's just enough OT and Prequel cameos, and it fills a void in the timeline which I find interesting.

    YAY.........lenseflare............

    Um, don't all trilogies follow the same outline? Act One: Heroes win small battle setting story into action. Act Two: Evil regains footing. Act Three: Evil is destroyed.
     
  10. OhioStateBuckeye

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    No, sorry, I don't think I was making my point clear. I meant that I was wondering if it would be the same as in how people think of and enjoy the original three. With Empire being considered the best and a lot different than the other 2. Jedi being considered by some to be a let down of an ending. Since people seemed let down by JJ Abrams' TFA, I doubt his Episode 9 will be much different.
     
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    I could care less about midichlorians. I thought it was a stupid storyline that didn't need to be told. I don't want her to be Annakin reincarnated. Let her just be some Jedi's knock off kid. She doesn't need the Christ backstory they tried to give Annakin for some reason. All the other Jedi and Sith had parents. Here's some weird kid that doesn't and he's supposed to be the ultimate big bad superpower? He was still being the lap dog to his Sith master after 20 years, something no self-respecting Sith apprentice would have put up with for long, let alone the Force's Chosen One.

    Vader was almost ruined by the storyline of the prequels.

    But I love your second paragraph. They need a real villain. Whiny, emo Kylo Ren isn't going to cut it. I don't want to sympathize with baby Solo's problems. Sheesh, we never heard Luke complain about being shipped off to the butt end of nowhere while his sister got raised as a Princess on a Core World. And yet now we have Kylo Ren and his daddy issues? I thought Kylo Ren was the worst character in TFA.

    He had all the charisma of a brick and was whinier than my 5 year old twins... it's like they took every poor characteristic that old people complain about the younger generation and tried to stuff it into a bad guy. He's a bad guy. Make him evil, don't try and make him some pitiable teenager who didn't get enough time with a therapist.
     
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  13. lockedoutlogic

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    I don't think anyone is denying kids like Star Wars...I did...my kids seem mildly amused...

    But my point is that they never had to be geared to kids and it's a mistake to do so because there's a wider/more profitable long term fanbase without the dumbed down story and the jar jar.

    Star Wars is unique and disney with its past the expiration date CEO is following the cheap stock buck model More and more it seems...
    ...the only explanation for reboots and Han Solo spinoffs...

    Not good for the stockholders...eroding the most profitable franchise maybe ever so they can sell their shares for $125 in 2019?

    El stupido
     
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    Oh there's no doubt he whined about living there in general. But when Kenobi told him Leia was his sister you didn't exactly get a "wtf" moment there from Luke where he raged about the situation. I mean, the unfairness of that decision was a good reason to go to the Dark Side. Better than Annakin's or Kylo Ren's anyway...
     
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  15. lockedoutlogic

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    I thought the four main young characters of TFA were incredibly weak...not at first...but after I watched it again (3-4 attempts to stay awake)

    They tried to "cover" too many things on some invisible international appeal disney checklist...

    I think they did that a bit with rogue one too...but it was less of an issue.

    It will be interesting if they get any character development in this next one...I think they will be hard pressed to get anywhere close the draw to the main characters that the 2 hours and 6 minutes of Empire did...that was written, shot so ingeniously...they really got so much bang for their buck. That made the popcorny Jedi completely acceptable both then and now.
     
  16. danikoski

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    My problem with JJ is he does stories well until the end, and they just hired the guy to do the end of a trilogy. I'm not liking that. They needed someone who knows how to do a grand finale, and I'm not sure JJ can pull it off.
     
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  17. TheMaxRebo

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    Fair enough, you'd think there would have been at least one moment of "wait, you got to be a princess and live in a palace while i was stuck on Tatooine?" (even if Tatooine is considered a strong Force sensitive planet, but still)

    and I hated how Anikan's played out - like it dragged on for 3 movies and then in like 5 minutes he went from questioning what side he was on to slaughtering younglings
     
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  18. lockedoutlogic

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    I have very little doubt that george Lucas had all that much creative control of the film making process for the first 3 movies...

    It's been established that Gary Kurtz did a lot of the heavy lifting on 4 due to the chaos of making it...and Lucas was detached from almost the entire process for 5 because he was setting up lucasfilm's empire...that continued through Jedi in many ways...

    When money wasn't an issue and he got to "immerse" himself in it?

    It was a modern Hollywood disaster. He basically kinda put Lucasfilm into mothballs and had to retire/sell...

    It's just the way the history reads now.
     
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    Oh trust me - my first paragraph was made with tongue firmly planted in cheek. The midichlorians were a lazy plot device that ended up raising a lot more questions than they answered - and they weren't even necessary. It was a bad idea in Episode I and should be left there. Which means they probably will make a reappearance in this trilogy. Because that's apparently how JJ and Kathy operate.

    I'd (stupidly) thought that the PT made a solid case against doing origin stories - yet here we are with Han and potentially more to come. If the OT was about Vader's redemption, the PT was about the tragedy of his fall - only it turned out tragicomic at best. I have cognitive dissonance between Anakin and Vader. So how exactly does a headstrong, reckless, impulsive, overly emotional, brooding, and insecure Anakin who rushes into things while disregarding all authority magically turn into a cool, calm, collected, patient, confident, and emotionless Sith Lord that carefully plans his traps while obeying every minor whim of the Emperor? They're almost two completely different characters.
     
  20. jknezek

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    Fixed it for you. It's the only way the story works.
     
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    But it didn't work...the latter needed to be inline with the former...

    But...as established...Lucas wasn't a particularly good writer or director of his own ideas...the ultimate irony.
     

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