Asia Disney Parks closed due to Coronavirus (SHDL, HKDL, TDL)

[StarGirl11]

I missed that I remained at yesterday's numbers. Still though 25 people in 1.4 Billion it's not that many.

Yeah but speaking from personal experience with having had garden variety pnuemonia. It can still mess you up and cause permanent lung damage even if you live to tell the tale. I got lucky once I was better I had no lasting damage. Not everyone is that lucky.

The amount of people infected is higher than China is saying. Don’t look at the news, look at the Party’s actions.

Also remember the Government is the majority holder in the Shanghai park.

This. So much this. Always take news and science coming from China's official with a grain of salt. Same with most communist countries. They tend to inflate or deflate things more so then others to try and make things look better for them.

It might not be a bad idea to not travel to Europe or Asia unless absolutely necessary.

I mean there's already been confirmed cases here in the US. And there were 21 kids from Wuhan that no one bothered to stop before coming to DC for a cultural exchange. None of them are sick but this thing has a two week incubation period so its entirely possible they can get sick. So just because you aren't in either place doesn't mean your necessarily safer, unfortunately.

Link talking about the group in VA:

https://wtop.com/fairfax-county/202...ses-in-fairfax-county-school-system-says/amp/

 

[anthony2k7]

The amount of people infected is higher than China is saying. Don’t look at the news, look at the Party’s actions.

Also remember the Government is the majority holder in the Shanghai park.

It wouldn't surprise me if the real numbers were higher because china is overwhelmed and doesn't really know, plus even the numbers they do know about they are probably understating because that's generally what China does.

Iv no idea which videos on Twitter are real or fake, but there are many out there of people literally collapsing in streets and piled up on hospital floors, along with another supposedly of a Dr from the wuhan region saying 90000 are infected.

 

[Brianstl]

I’m trying to figure out what the break-point is for cancelling our trip to Disney World February 8-15. I guess public transmission within the US?

I think it is way too early to be thinking about canceling that.

 

[marcyleecorgan]

Oh my! Well this is not looking good. I am sure there are going to be more security globally for cross borders but this has been going on longer than just the initial infection vector of patient zero. So stay hygienic everyone! Be safe.

 

[mshanson3121]

One is too many when you are talking about a new virus that we have no way to fight, no immunity to, and in a country with that many people. This is how pandemics start. You have to do everything possible to contain it so it doesn't get out of control. In the space of a few days, we already have 3 cases in the US (maybe the one in TX hasn't been confirmed yet, thoiugh). It happens fast due to air travel. A place like a theme park is a perfect way to spread a virus to thousands of people in one day.

Also, this virus has JUST emerged, and already killed 25 with only 915 confirmed cases. That is a very high rate of death, comparable to some of the worst viral pandemics in history. It's irrelevant how many people live in China. The troubling number is how many deaths out of how many confirmed cases.

This. It's also suspected to be in Canada now, too. Several people being monitored in Quebec.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

I think it is way too early to be thinking about canceling that.

Our flight is two weeks from tomorrow.

 

[mshanson3121]

Three confirmed cases in France as of tonight, and NY Times now reporting almost 1300 confirmed cases in China - with 400 new cases today, and another 15 dead.

While, I tend to err on the side of caution with these epidemics, sometimes I feel a lot of it is media hype, I do think this is a potentially serious situation that needs to be monitored.

IMO, full travel ban should have been in place almost immediately when the deaths started. They should have learned their lesson with SARS. On this end, full quarantines should have been mandatory for any traveler arriving directly or indirectly from China - not just a little temperature check.

 

[tcufrog]

I just found out that a university even closer than the one I mentioned up thread has someone under quarantine who traveled to the Wuhan province. It's unclear yet whether the student has it.

 

[Brianstl]

Our flight is two weeks from tomorrow.

I just don’t think there is anywhere close to enough info to justify canceling a domestic vacation right now.

 

[Brianstl]

Three confirmed cases in France as of tonight, and NY Times now reporting almost 1300 confirmed cases in China - with 400 new cases today, and another 15 dead.

While, I tend to err on the side of caution with these epidemics, sometimes I feel a lot of it is media hype, I do think this is a potentially serious situation that needs to be monitored.

IMO, full travel ban should have been in place almost immediately when the deaths started. They should have learned their lesson with SARS. On this end, full quarantines should have been mandatory for any traveler arriving directly or indirectly from China - not just a little temperature check.

The video from inside the Red Cross hospital in Wuhan and the rush to construct a new 1,000 bed “hospital“ in less than a week has me thinking this is might be much worse than SARs. I think hospital might be communist cover for morgue. Plus, the quote from Guan is rather disturbing. I hope I am just overly concerned, but everything (especially response from Chinese authorities) gives me a feeling that this one is different from early scares that I laughed at.

 

[adam.adbe]

The video from inside the Red Cross hospital in Wuhan and the rush to construct a new 1,000 bed “hospital“ in less than a week has me thinking this is might be much worse than SARs. I think hospital might be communist cover for morgue. Plus, the quote from Guan is rather disturbing. I hope I am just overly concerned, but everything (especially response from Chinese authorities) gives me a feeling that this one is different from early scares that I laughed at.

you‘d be surprised, this seems to standard op for the CCP:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/may/02/china.sars

The Xiaotangshan hospital in northern Beijing, boasting at least 90 million yuan (£7 million) worth of medical equipment, opened its doors after more than 7,000 builders rushed to erect the temporary facility for Sars victims in eight days.

in a wholly managed economy the people expect the government to be on top of everything, since that’s what the propaganda promises.

 

[adam.adbe]

The flu has a mortality rate of .01 percent. This virus appears to be 250-500 times as deadly as the flu. If the equivalent number of people were infected with this virus as the flu you would be looking at 2 million to 4 million dead. I’m not saying this virus is as transmissible as the flu, but comparing it to the flu is comparing apples to oranges.

the flu’s mortality rate is a function of herd immunity and better access to health care. Most of those who die from the flu, or will likely die from this strain of coronavirus, are to some degree immunocompromised. With the flu those people are typically vaccinated where possible or buffered by others seeking vaccinations. This virus is currently free to run wild, and thus far is not looking especially serious.

The Spanish Flu for example had a mortality rate of 10%, putting it about level with SARS, and much lower than MERS. Many healthcare experts do not believe that the Spanish Flu would be a major risk today, since vaccines and better access to treatment would likely limit the spread and risk of complications. Even the most pessimistic have it pegged as just a really nasty flu year. Most experts still have this one hovering below 5%.

The comparison to the flu is only apples to oranges in that we‘re not often taken by surprise with the flu, which was my point: boring old flu is still far more likely to hospitalize any one of us reading here than New Strain Coronavirus.

 

[Brianstl]

the flu’s mortality rate is a function of herd immunity and better access to health care. Most of those who die from the flu, or will likely die from this strain of coronavirus, are to some degree immunocompromised. With the flu those people are typically vaccinated where possible or buffered by others seeking vaccinations. This virus is currently free to run wild, and thus far is not looking especially serious.

The Spanish Flu for example had a mortality rate of 10%, putting it about level with SARS, and much lower than MERS. Many healthcare experts do not believe that the Spanish Flu would be a major risk today, since vaccines and better access to treatment would likely limit the spread and risk of complications. Even the most pessimistic have it pegged as just a really nasty flu year. Most experts still have this one hovering below 5%.

The comparison to the flu is only apples to oranges in that we‘re not often taken by surprise with the flu, which was my point: boring old flu is still far more likely to hospitalize any one of us reading here than New Strain Coronavirus.

The second wave of the Spanish Flu was so deadly because WW I created a situation where the virus mutated in way that it caused a cytokine storm in victims with a strong immune system. That is the exact same thing that makes a Coronavirus so potentially deadly.

 

[adam.adbe]

The second wave of the Spanish Flu was so deadly because WW I created a situation where the virus mutated in way that it caused a cytokine storm in victims with a strong immune system. That is the exact same thing that makes a Coronavirus so potentially deadly.

yeah, I’m not saying this doesn’t have the potential to mutate into something really nasty, just there’s no sign that’s what we’re dealing with yet; and yeah, the Spanish Flu’s mortality rate amongst teens was decidedly unusual.

The media’s slightly alarmist reporting is not helpful though, cos eventually people will start to tune this stuff out. This, in common with all of these emergent virus strains, is worth keeping an eye on, but I’ll wait until the WHO and/or CDC tell me to start panicking before I start doing the random chicken dance.

Honestly I personally still fear Ebola more than this, but I’ll most likely get struck by lightning before I contract Ebola, so I’ll temper my urge to fret about that also.

 

[Brianstl]

yeah, I’m not saying this doesn’t have the potential to mutate into something really nasty, just there’s no sign that’s what we’re dealing with yet; and yeah, the Spanish Flu’s mortality rate amongst teens was decidedly unusual.

The media’s slightly alarmist reporting is not helpful though, cos eventually people will start to tune this stuff out. This, in common with all of these emergent virus strains, is worth keeping an eye on, but I’ll wait until the WHO and/or CDC tell me to start panicking before I start doing the random chicken dance.

Honestly I personally still fear Ebola more than this, but I’ll most likely get struck by lightning before I contract Ebola, so I’ll temper my urge to fret about that also.

This is already something nasty. It is extremely deadly by it’s very nature to people with strong immune systems. The key is containing it before it mutates into a virus that is easily transmitted by airborne means. There already are suggestions from medical specialists in China that some prolonged exposure in the same space with a victim without eye protection can lead to infection.

Personally, Coronaviruses scare me more than Ebola. They have shown an ability to mutate in ways that make them easier to transmit than Ebola. Sure if you get Ebola you are probably more likely to die, but Ebola appears so far to not mutate in way that makes it easy to spread in a pandemic way.

 

[StarGirl11]

This is already something nasty. It is extremely deadly by it’s very nature to people with strong immune systems. The key is containing it before it mutates into a virus that is easily transmitted by airborne means. There already are suggestions from medical specialists in China that some prolonged exposure in the same space with a victim without eye protection can lead to infection.

Personally, Coronaviruses scare me more than Ebola. They have shown an ability to mutate in way that makes them easier to transmit than Ebola. Sure if you get Ebola you are probably more likely to die, but Ebola appears so far to not mutate in way that makes it easy to spread in a pandemic way.

Agreed about the Ebola. Transfer and infection from Ebola, at this point at least, seems like it’s more difficult then this coronavirus.

Yes hospitals still give warnings about it (well not by name, but I’m pretty sure when they’re asking about if I’ve been to West Africa in the last 21 days this is what they’re referring to). But I’ve always got an impression that it’s mostly secluded to third world countries partly due sanitation practices or lack their of.

I’m trying to verify but can’t seem to find a source completely. But I believe it’s been a few years since we’ve had an Ebola case here in the US. Your more likely to get it if you go to West Africa. Which Im guessing is a lot less common destination for most travelers (especially business ones) then China. So coronavirus transmission is the bigger threat when comparing the two.

 

[katallo]

Out of everything related to this virus this story is amazing. Why was this allowed to happen? Even the school has the good sense to cancel it.

Chinese students on exchange program won’t attend classes in Fairfax County, school system says | WTOP

 

[afan]

I saw on twitter (can't post because they aren't public) a screenshot from SDL to AP's that they're going to extend AP expiration dates by the number of days the park is closed. I think this is good and fair, especially when it's unknown how many days it will be.

 

[Germack]

The flu has a mortality rate of .01 percent. This virus appears to be 250-500 times as deadly as the flu. If the equivalent number of people were infected with this virus as the flu you would be looking at 2 million to 4 million dead. I’m not saying this virus is as transmissible as the flu, but comparing it to the flu is comparing apples to oranges.

Yesterday, the World Health Organization heard preliminary calculations for the average number of infections that each infected person may go on to cause, known as R0. This is estimated to be 1.4 to 2.5 people per infected person. In comparison, seasonal flu usually has an R0 of ~1.3.

Mortality rate of the flu" ~0.01%. This coronavirus: ~4%.

 

[TomServo27]

Well have to say it’s incredible timing that Netflix dropped Pandemic this weekend.