Leaving teaching

I'm in year 31 at my current school. I could retire now but plan to go 3-4 more years. Our retirement benefits do NOT include paid health care...I will have to pay 20% of mine and all of my husband's, and he has some health issues that need to be resolved before I go.
I have also had good and bad principals--I like the current set. We are trying to get our department to improve (I'm department chair) and change for the future. I'm the oldest by a mile at 55. I love the kids (12th graders) and my co-workers.
In my department over the years we just had a 20 year teacher leave us to move and take a teaching position in FL--lucky her--and at least two women married to lawyers or doctors quit when they had babies. I did not have that luxury as my husband owns his own small company, so I've been the benefits person for my whole career. But I did have summers and vacations with my kids (all grown now).
Is it easy? No. And the states and public keep making it worse. But before you quit, OP, I also think you should try teaching in another district or another school system. It's a lot of training to just throw away. And if you have kids someday, it is the best job because of the time off.
 
I started out doing one thing in my profession and steadily grew to hate it, to the point of being ready to give it up altogether. I switched to doing something else in my profession that I absolutely love. So although I've never been a teacher, I'd encourage you to consider other things you can do with your experience and training that would interest and fulfill you.
 
Statistics show that 40-50% of teachers leave the profession after 5 years. Depending on where you are, low pay, stress over testing, poor administration or parental support, and student motivation and behavior are some of the big reasons teachers leave every year.

I've seen this with the co-hort that I completed my masters degree in education with in 2008. While I don't know where everyone is today, I can tell you that our small group (8 of us) that 3 left teaching, myself included. One returned to school to become a social worker, and I work in higher education. A fourth is looking for something outside in the private sector after becoming disgruntled with the way special education teachers in her area have been treated. A fifth was never able to obtain a K-6 teaching position in the small community where she lives, so has remained in the B-4yo daycare environment.

I spent three years in the classroom, with different districts and grades each time. The amount of stress, poor support from administrators, extensive time spent in off hours prepping, rude students and families, and sheer anxiety that these positions caused left me eager to leave. I entered higher education working in student services and have rarely wanted to return. I returned for one year when we relocated to the south, and it was a huge mistake. I only did so because the pay for a comparable job in higher education was so much lower than what I was previously paid. Thankfully a better job came along and I leaped at it.
 


If the worst hour of your day, the one you dread most, is being in a classroom with students, do everyone a favor, yourself and the students, and get out of teaching as soon as you can. You don't deserve to be miserable and children don't deserve a teacher who hates being with them.
Agreed
 
I’m not sure why I’m not allowed to say that something in interesting. I didn’t question your statistics, just said that I found them interesting because it was not what I had experienced.

Sorry. I took your post as in "interesting" and I don't believe you. It's hard when we can't see each others facial expressions in a conversation.
 
I'm here to say the corporate world isn't any picnic either! At my place we went from a department of 5 and 1/2 people down to 1 and 1/2 (I'm the 1/2, part time). The work is still there it didn't drop off they just don't want to replace people. We do the best we can but can't keep up. Honestly I'm not happy, but the hours are good, the pay is good and the vacation time is great so I try to remember that.

I've got 18 years in and at this point I see the finish line ahead. I find other areas in my life to bring me joy and work is just that work. I get through my days an hour at a time.

If you make a good wage and have a good retirement plan, I'd really think about jumping ship. There might be a lot of jobs out there, but not a lot of GOOD jobs with good pay and benefits. Of course interviewing and seeing whats out there wouldn't hurt either.

Good Luck, I hope you can find your happiness.
And with a lot less time off! I left to go work for a school district & took a significant pay cut. I can suck up almost anything for 183 days a yr.
 


I used to be a teacher. I taught in public school (in a fairly rural setting) for 20 years. I was in about 3 different schools total. I spent 10 years at the last one. I do not even remember at what point I started hating teaching, but it know the last few years were bad. I guess the "real reason" I left teaching was due more to my home life. A bad marriage and all that (long story) and events that occurred outside of school, if I could have pulled myself together at home, I would have been more likely able to handle the demands and stress of teaching. I ended up resigning my teaching position because I just could not take care of my home life and work full time. I ended up getting a divorce, and new beginning at over the age of 40.

I began a new career as a social worker. That was a "frying pan into the fire situation" as far as work goes. It is far more stressful than teaching as far as the day to day work. The things I saw cannot be unseen, and the environments that you are exposed to can be dangerous and unhealthy.

After a little less than a year of that I decided to move over into banking. It seems that banking is a place where I can fit in. I started off as a teller (I actually had a better title than that, but since we were short on tellers, that is about all I ever ended up doing) , and now I am in loan servicing. It is an entirely different world than teaching. There are things that I like a lot better about the world of banking, and things I like a lot better about teaching.

The benefits I would see of working in banking (at least at the bottom end of the ladder) as opposed to teaching:

1. There is much more anonymity in the outside world. You can go places, and kids aren't always like "I saw you at blah blah" or you are some place and kids are bothering you.

2. Less stressful actual work. Yes peoples' money is important and it is a lot of responsibility, but it is not going to talk back, or ask to go to the bathroom etc...

3. It feels safer... I know bank robberies happen. At least where I am, I am up in an office in a building that has no actual money in it and you have to have access cards to get inside the building itself, and individual departments. It is very secure. I know schools can be dangerous and often felt unsafe because of all the violence that can happen.

The stuff that is NOT appealing about being in banking as opposed to teaching:

1. At least at the bottom end of the ladder, there is less money. I make less now than I did when I left teaching. I am about where a beginning teacher would be as far as income.

2. Less time off....when I say less time off, I mean I am very grateful to be off for major holidays and 3 weeks. That's it, you do not have time to do much as far as things outside of work.

3. It is kind of hard to explain I guess number 3. There is no "end point". In teaching there was always an end point to look forward to. Good or bad, the year would be over. You would get a fresh start, a new year every year. In banking, that does not exist. It is what it is, and there will be no big reset coming. Things just do not shut down for a couple months and you get to start all over. I really miss having that change.

To kind of summarize, I would say the grass is always greener. Nobody will know until they have lived both lives. For myself, I have actually considered getting back into teaching IF the right situation and school were to come up. I do not dislike what I do now, but I really miss some things about teaching.
I never taught but am a social worker & in a school district (now). I definitely understand teacher burn out, but there are many professions that are undervalued & underpaid that I don’t feel get as much attention as teaching. Some are as stressful if not more stressful. I really appreciate your perspective of having done both.
 
I've had a number of good careers, but I feel like I've been where I needed to be at each point of my life.

I really like this explanation, and I feel the same way! I was in corporate banking for several years, a SAMH from the time DS was born until he was in 1st grade, and then I got into substitute teaching (where I get the kids, but not the parents or the standardized testing!) I really feel like each phase has been the right one at the time.


Administrative work that I DO enjoy involves setting up prom and big events, reviewing contracts, networking, and talking to vendors about their business.

This sounds to me very like event management. When I was doing my marketing degree, I had some core modules with the event management stream. Its part marketing, part business management, part sales.

I agree!
 
Teaching is a calling.

There is no other way that I could possibly get up every morning and teach. I love teaching. I love my students, especially the most challenging ones, because they need me the most.

I don’t get paid nearly what I deserve...my salary is certainly not comparable to other professionals with graduate degrees. I’ve taken a lot of abuse over the years from administrators and parents. At the moment I am blessed with a wonderfully supportive principal, which helps tremendously. Most of my parents this year are awesome, but there’s one that may cause me to get a restraining order. Teaching is hard.

My point is that if teaching is not what you are called to do, then please find something else to do with your life. Otherwise you will truly be miserable.
 
I can comment on this from two different perspectives:

I’m a recent college graduate with an elementary Ed degree. I LOVE teaching and I love being around kids so much. I currently only sub though and haven’t had a full time position for many reasons. I love the flexibility, being able to experience different grade levels every day, not having to plan, and learning new things from different teachers. There are many school districts I wouldn’t want to be in because of the amount of testing they do. I’ve been lucky to find a district I really like and I’ll continue subbing there because I’ve made good connections with the teachers and kids.

On the other hand, my Dh is a software engineer and he loves his profession but he just had some terrible months at his job. He doesn’t love the projects he has and the equipment he works on. He had some awful coworkers which caused him to pick up a lot of slack. He actually would come home and just not want to do anything. He had trouble finding fun in anything anymore. He now is on a new team and it’s gotten better but he made the decision to apply for a company that is basically his dream job. He just flew down yesterday for an interview and said he really enjoyed it. We haven’t heard anything yet but I would pick up everything in a second and move if it means he gets to enjoy his job.

My point is you only live once and yes you have to pay the bills but you also don’t have to go through your life being miserable. People may look at me and go “wow she’s been out of school this long and still subs?” and that’s fine because I like what I do.
 
OP it sounds like you’re mostly unhappy now because your administration has changed and you’re not clicking with them.

I’m wondering why you “dread” the one class you teach though? Is it because the kids are difficult in some way and your lousy administration gives you no support? Or the kids are difficult in some way and your lousy administration has set up unreasonable goals for you to accomplish?

If all your answers point back to a lousy administration, then I might consider working in a different school before I left all together.

However if the reason that you dread your one class a day is because you’ve determined that you really don’t like teaching kids, then I would say it’s time to look at other avenues. You’ve gotten good suggestions here.
 
I can comment on this from two different perspectives:

I’m a recent college graduate with an elementary Ed degree. I LOVE teaching and I love being around kids so much. I currently only sub though and haven’t had a full time position for many reasons. I love the flexibility, being able to experience different grade levels every day, not having to plan, and learning new things from different teachers. There are many school districts I wouldn’t want to be in because of the amount of testing they do. I’ve been lucky to find a district I really like and I’ll continue subbing there because I’ve made good connections with the teachers and kids.

On the other hand, my Dh is a software engineer and he loves his profession but he just had some terrible months at his job. He doesn’t love the projects he has and the equipment he works on. He had some awful coworkers which caused him to pick up a lot of slack. He actually would come home and just not want to do anything. He had trouble finding fun in anything anymore. He now is on a new team and it’s gotten better but he made the decision to apply for a company that is basically his dream job. He just flew down yesterday for an interview and said he really enjoyed it. We haven’t heard anything yet but I would pick up everything in a second and move if it means he gets to enjoy his job.

My point is you only live once and yes you have to pay the bills but you also don’t have to go through your life being miserable. People may look at me and go “wow she’s been out of school this long and still subs?” and that’s fine because I like what I do.

My oldest sister was a teacher and retired as a sub. She loved it: the change in environment and individuals meant she never got burnt out on the day-to-day, the flexibility, no evenings planning or grading... She did start taking longer sub positions (medical leaves, maternity leaves) later in her career, but always had the choice to take or leave those positions based on her life at the time. It was perfect for her.
 
i taught in the mid 80's and left it b/c there were major trends being implemented that i just couldn't get on board with/felt were detrimental to my students. i ended up with a career in social services and enjoyed working in staff development. working w/in a training situation w/adults who are voluntarily choosing to further develop their skills or acquire new ones can be enjoyable and rewarding.

i've also noticed that at our local universities and community colleges that a decent percentage of the non teaching staff (admin/clerical) are former k-12 teachers. they enjoy working with the students in a manner that's supportive of their education but is absent all the classroom/admin-teacher 'drama' (when they clock out they are done for the day). granted the pay is not always (esp. initially) comparable to their prior earnings but over time it can build up and the benefits can be tremendous (i've known some who went into it so their kids got reduced or free tuition, others have taken advantage of free tuition for themselves to garner additional/grad degrees in order to pursue other careers).

good luck in whatever you decide to pursue.
 
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Hi everyone. I’ve been teaching high school for 7 years now. 5 of those years have been in the same school and I am tired, worn out, and miserable. I’ve been second guessing teaching for about 2.5 years now. It’s gotten to the point where I am frustrated with the kids, the parents, and administration. I’ve been moved up into a more administrative role this year and I hate it. But also, I teach one period a day and that period is the time of day that I DREAD.

I’ve often thought about more corporate jobs such as something in HR or working in an educational technology company or campus recruiting. Sure, I wouldn’t have the same breaks or days off as my husband who is also a teacher. But if I’m happier, I don’t think I will care. I’ve been doing a lot of research but I have NO idea how to make an impressive resume for anything other than teaching.

One of my friends, also a teacher, keeps telling me I need to try another school before I leave the profession altogether. She thinks it could be different in another school. But in any school, I’ll have frustrating students and parents, I’ll have to create lessons and I’ll still be cranky every Sunday at the thought of having to go back to work.

Has anyone, or do you know anyone who, has left teaching and is happier now? What do you/they do for a career now? How was the transition? I’m just feeling very lost and confused so any advice would be helpful. Thank you!
 
My degree was in education, but I spent 30 years working in technology. After retiring from my tech job, I taught high school English for a year in a private school. That was enough for me. I loved the kids, but they were so used to getting away with everything, it made discipline and focus very difficult. I found many parents to be removed and uncooperative. The administration was more worried about tuition than education. I'm sure issue in public schools are different.

My daughter taught in both a private school and a charter school. She hated both. The administration was bad in both cases. After she was threatened by a student at the charter school, she decided that she'd had enough. To clarify, the charter school was an F rated school in a rather poor area of the city. The student who threatened her was eventually expelled for striking another teacher. DD went back to school to become a digital media specialist and is much happier.
 
My oldest sister was a teacher and retired as a sub. She loved it: the change in environment and individuals meant she never got burnt out on the day-to-day, the flexibility, no evenings planning or grading... She did start taking longer sub positions (medical leaves, maternity leaves) later in her career, but always had the choice to take or leave those positions based on her life at the time. It was perfect for her.
I took 2 long term positions last school year and it was such good experience for me. I had first grade from October-Christmas (which was amazing). I got all of the cool holidays and even got presents before Christmas break. I was even able to do conferences since the teacher was on maternity leave. Then that same school year I had a long term for kindergarten from May-June and that was awesome too. I got all of the fun end-of-year activities and I got a field trip with both long term positions! It really was great and the teachers left such good notes for me to help me plan while they were gone.
 
I'm here to say the corporate world isn't any picnic either!
You're absolutely right -- we teachers don't think for a minute that we have crappy jobs, while the rest of the world enjoys picnics and perks all day long. Overall, the world of work has become less friendly over the last decades.

I'm thinking of my husband ... We met when I worked in his office during college. It was such a friendly place: groups went out to lunch frequently, the company offered free breakfast on payday every two weeks, at Christmas everyone brought pot lucks for lunch, we often had outings in the evenings to the local baseball games, etc. Everyone worked, but no one seemed overly stressed. He just left the place after 30 years, and every bit of that dropped away. Data became more important than people, and the number of workers was reduced though the work load remained the same. The friendly side of the company disappeared altogether.
If we, any child, got into trouble at school, they got into trouble at home too - teachers were to be respected and obeyed.
Yeah, the rule in our house was, Whatever you get at school, you get two at home. You received praise or a reward for a good grade or work ethic? Double praise or reward at home. You were punished for bad behavior? Double punishment at home.

You're right that teachers are no longer respected. I'm thinking of a time when I called a mom and said, "Your kid is an absolute nightmare in HOMEROOM. Won't behave. Something's gotta change." Her answer, "Well, I'll have to hear his side of it." Huh? Do you think I make up stuff about homeroom kids, whom I don't even teach, and waste time calling parents about it?
This is a good post! I know someone at 54 who retired from an almost 6 fig teaching salary ... Still has car payments, house payments, kids in hs, kids in college.
Okay, something's wrong here: He's 54 and has been earning a high salary ... WHY does he still have car payments, etc.? That's poor planning.
... The old saying goes pick a job you love and you will never work a day in your life. I guess that means you enjoy it so much it does not feel like work. Well news flash, that's a great concept but in reality what you love does not always pay the bills ...
Yeah, that "never work a day in your life" thing is pie in the sky. Maybe it works for a small, small percentage of people, but it's never going to work for the vast majority of us. Work is work.
I guess some people have a "bug' that makes them want to teach others, there are ways to teach outside of school...just harder to find the opportunity I suppose.
Oh, yeah. I understand you. When I was 5-6 years old I was already a teacher. I forced my siblings to sit down and be my class. I never thought about it when I was younger, but NONE of my four siblings ever wanted to be the teacher, and my own daughters never once "played school".

On the other hand, one of my daughters was already a nurse when she was 5-6 years old. She gave her dolls surgeries, wasted all my bandaids on them, etc.
High School kids are challenging... and many parents seem to careless about whats going on in school at this age than when they were younger... lots and lots of challenges...
I've heard that you teach elementary school because you like kids ... you teach middle school 'cause you're nuts ... and high school because you like the subject. I think there's some truth in that, but high school is becoming worse and worse in terms of discipline and lack of respect from students.
Teaching at the E/S level is a pink-collar ghetto; it generally doesn't pay very well, though the benefits are usually quite good.
Eh, that used to be true; that is, it was the deal for which I signed on almost three decades ago ... but things have changed over my years (I am near retirement):

- By E/S do you mean entry level salary? When I was new, the salary scale was kind of a straight line ... you could count on small, steady raises over the years. Now new teachers make $35,000 ... and teachers at the top of the salary scale make $52,000. What that means is that no one gets big raises -- ever. For those of us here in the land of cheap living, $35,000 isn't too bad for someone just out of college /with no professional experience ... but to increase only $17,000 over the course of 30 years is not appealing, especially since the job has increased significantly in terms of time and rigor. My thoughts on this: the state doesn't want teachers to stay in the system long enough to retire (our pensions are expensive for the state to support). If they can get teachers to come in and teach 10 years, then leave, the state wins financially.
- As for benefits, no. We don't have great benefits at all; people think that's true, but it isn't. Oh, we used to, but those benefits have been cut bit by bit over the years. I used to have no-cost insurance; now it takes 14% of my salary for moderate coverage (no eye or dental or special coverage). Every generation of teachers gets a little less: People a little older than me don't pay state taxes on their pensions ... people a little younger than me won't get insurance in retirement. I don't even get free iced tea in the cafeteria any more. But if I die while in service, my husband will get one year of my salary.
I never taught but am a social worker & in a school district (now). I definitely understand teacher burn out, but there are many professions that are undervalued & underpaid that I don’t feel get as much attention as teaching. Some are as stressful if not more stressful. I really appreciate your perspective of having done both.
I think teachers get "more press" on these topics because we're very visible to the public (whereas most people will never go to a social worker in their whole lives) and because we exist in large numbers ... but, to echo something I just said above: We don't for a moment think we're alone in being burned out, stressed out, undervalued and underpaid.
 
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My mother still teaches at 67. She started at 21, right out of school. She hasn't had to teach in 20something years. She said this was going to be her last year, now she's thinking of staying on because she doesn't want to be bored and loves her school children. One of my BFFs isn't yet 40 and totally burned out. Same school system. I think it's just different strokes and different folks.
 
As to the comment on Teachers getting more "press" because of visibility I think it varies from location to location. In poorer performing areas (talking students performance) the focus is on poor standardized test scores and that leads to the teachers and that leads to a discussion on low pay and lack of resource funding. In suburban areas like where I live (and in the state I live in) the realization is that the majority of the property taxes we pay go to school funding and so that hits the wallet and therefore leads to a different discussion about school spending. New schools are popping up around us all the time due to population growth. Districts around us are at the legislated top of their bond capacity with my local district of 18k students that owes a little over $1 billion from bond issues. The latest one which passed had funding for expanding the football stadium, building a new state of the art locker room for the football team at the high school, expanding the office area of the high school and doing work to improve secure entrances to several schools. There is virtual little to no funding going to the classroom. Education as a general topic in my area becomes about how can these people continue to cry about not enough money for teachers and improving classrooms and turn around and spend all the money outside the classroom. Teachers get a bad rap because quite frankly their administrators border on what the average person would call being idiots.

I hope to retire in 3 years and when I do I have to get out of this district because I won't be 65 yet and my taxes go up every year and it's not a little it is a lot!

Teachers overall receive attention unfortunatley for the wrong reasons most of the time and very seldom is it for the right reasons.
 

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