DAS changes coming WDW May 20/ DL June 18, 2024

[LuvinTheWorld]

If even just a fraction of those who no longer qualify for DAS buy genie+ I think it would be enough to pay for some more cast members. I'm sure they've done a lot of calculating and I'm 100% sure Disney wouldn't do something unless they come out ahead lol

Well of course, they're going to sell these extra DAS spots as G+ and LL.

 

[OurBigTrip]

Disney has never previously tried to give a disability hierarchy where they say one is more deserving of accommodation than another. When they eliminated the GAC, they reduced the accommodation for everyone equally, and the new offering, DAS, was the same for everyone. This new situation is not remotely analogous to that.

I apologize if I missed this in all the posts from earlier today, but how often have you or a family member used DAS in the past?

My sister uses it for Chron’s when she’s having a flare, and she’s happy with this change. She always felt the DAS was overkill for her, but it was the only option available.

 

[Norton figment]

If leaving the line works, why would a DAS be needed?

 

[StarGirl11]

Wait until they start denying kids with serious T1D and approving kids with ADHD. Things should get interesting.

Yeah I really want to know how the heck they’re going to handle certain disorders that can get triggered in queues that don’t fall under this system. This genuinely feels like a problem waiting to happen

Like I keep worrying for people who have conditions that can be triggered by sensory things in the line that is less of an issue on the ride because you limit exposure. Like not everyone of these people will have a developmental disorder:

Or in some cases might not realize that something is actually a developmental disorder

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

Yes, I have read statements on other pages/sources that people do think this will impact standby and LL wait times.

I don’t see how it could impact standby wait times (other than large amounts of people staying home or choosing to ride less rides if their preferred accommodation is no longer available—frankly, I am someone who appears will no longer qualify based on physical disability and our family will likely spend less time in the parks, more at resort pools, and also do fewer riders when we are at the parks…so I guess that’s some capacity that will open up for standby and I’m disproving my own assumption here)—but it will absolutely decrease the LL return times for DAS and Genie+ unless Disney is planning to sell extra LLs for each DAS holder (and their guests) who no longer qualify—and I don’t think it’s Disney’s plan, though I wouldn’t bet my life on it.

 

[OurBigTrip]

There IS a hierarchy. One accommodation is FAR superior to the other. You seem to be the only one who doesn't think so.

Of course the DAS is superior, I’ve never said otherwise. But just because someone wants the superior accommodation doesn’t mean that they need the superior accommodation.

 

[ryang25]

You keep saying that there is a hierarchy of who deserves accommodation, which is simply untrue. They’re still offering accommodations, just not the one you prefer.

I notice you keep referring to preferences and wants but what about needs? The accommodations can only be reasonable if they are actually able to assist the guest, and that decision needs to look at the guest’s needs - not their diagnosis.

If it is true that not everyone with condition X needs accommodation Y, then how is it helpful for Disney to list a condition as being eligible and other conditions as not being eligible?

 

[SteveMouse]

But you literally cannot leave 90% of lines at the drop of a hat because of the way the lines are designed. It's nearly impossible in the current state. And before someone comes in with "well what if they open up emergency exits" That doesn't exist in a functional way on all rides, particular on the West Coast.

Not to mention that exiting and reentry would need to accommodate scooters/ECVs and wheelchairs- and accommodate devices passing etched other as well as not ibterfering with people creating "bubbles" of space in lines are, consident space is

If it were me (and I'm with your DD), I would just ask for the "leave the line" pass at the start of every queue. While she'll need to wait solo until you get to the front of the line, it will probably allow her to safely ride the rides with you.

PS - I wonder if that is the plan for many physical issues for adults. They will individually get that type of pass and get to go through the exit of rides when the planned stand by time has elapsed (which should be roughly when their group would get to the front). It makes for a more lonely trip, but one where "maybe" and physical situations are accommodated, while discouraging abuse.

That wouldn't work too well for many individuals, such as myself, who are

If you go to the doctor with a problem, they will give you a diagnosis (or a likely diagnosis/referral to a specialist if it's complicated) If the problem someone has was never bad enough to go to a Dr for, then it may not be bad enough to qualify for a program meant for disabilities...

It often takes 1.5 years or more to accurately diagnose an individual with fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva. Of course, now that you have a diagnosis, what does it mean for your particular body. FOP can and does affect any part of your body. In some cases. there may be negligible effects on mobility. In other people, it can be much more progressed.

One thing tjat is universally true is that injury can trigger flareups.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Yeah and this is unfortunately a real concern for me. (As well? I’m sorry I haven’t seen if your in the same lump of category of rare conditions. Feel free to correct me). I have a condition that around 50 people have. In the entire world. It’s comorbid to more common conditions that still fall under that classification that I also have the diagnosis for. But if I was at the start of my medical journey and I had the rare diagnosis but not the common ones this has a high chance of causing problems. Fortunately I have both the rare diagnosis along with the more common ones and can retain the DAS

But someone else who has this same condition as rare as it is who might be at the start of their journey could have so many problems. Diagnosis take time.

Not me, but my daughter - 600 in the world now. She was diagnosed when there were about 70 in the world.

 

[Gentry2004]

Of course the DAS is superior, I’ve never said otherwise. But just because someone wants the superior accommodation doesn’t mean that they need the superior accommodation.

Yes you do. You keep saying it isn't a disability hierarchy. It is.

 

[OurBigTrip]

I notice you keep referring to preferences and wants but what about needs? The accommodations can only be reasonable if they are actually able to assist the guest, and that decision needs to look at the guest’s needs - not their diagnosis.

If it is true that not everyone with condition X needs accommodation Y, then how is it helpful for Disney to list a condition as being eligible and other conditions as not being eligible?

Because when leaving the line is an accommodation, demanding the DAS is a preference, not a need.

 

[OurBigTrip]

Yes you do. You keep saying it isn't a disability hierarchy. It is.

Believe what you like.

 

[StarGirl11]

If you go to the doctor with a problem, they will give you a diagnosis (or a likely diagnosis/referral to a specialist if it's complicated) If the problem someone has was never bad enough to go to a Dr for, then it may not be bad enough to qualify for a program meant for disabilities...

I mean sure it happens if you’re lucky. I was walking around with Classic Hashimotos for 2 1/2 years and had doctors ignoring the symptoms and the test results adding up before I finally got a diagnosis in March.

Let’s not even start on my neurodevelomental disorder took years of knowing something was wrong. A break down in a doctors office. Expensive genetics testing before I got a name to my condition.

Oh and we aren’t done with testing yet I’m being tested for even more conditions as we speak

Let’s not act like getting a diagnosis is this simple thing of just on a forum that I’m sure I’m not the only one with a horror story on. Because it’s not as simple with some conditions to just show up and get a diagnosis

I wish it was.

 

[Norton figment]

My sister uses it for Chron’s when she’s having a flare, and she’s happy with this change. She always felt the DAS was overkill for her, but it was the only option available.

She’s lucky my family member has Crohn’s and DAS is a lifesaver! Without it, there will be issues for my family member so we will wait and see.

 

[Liquidice]

Because when leaving the line is an accommodation, demanding the DAS is a preference, not a need.

I think we still need to see more on how the return to queue accommodation works before we can declare it is a reasonable accommodation.

Personally, I think Disney should have had all of the information on how these changes will work before they announced them. It has created a lot of added anxiety and worry.

 

[mamaofsix]

The conversation happening here make me sad. We shouldn't be arguing with each other.

Disney created this problem by ramping up attendance and not offering any net ride capacity in the past decade - hence the extraordinarily long lines and need for accommodation.

Our family has several adopted children with disabilities that qualify for DAS. However, even the current DAS was clunky for us last trip. We found ourselves more often gravitating towards the attractions that did not require DAS and had few crowds: Tom Sawyer's Island, Swiss Family Tree house, interactive playgrounds, etc. You want to know their favorite "attraction?" The friendship boats between our resort and the parks.

In my view, Disney should be spending less time worrying about DAS misuse and abuse, and start building in more capacity and experiences for all guests to enjoy without the need to wait at all.

Now THAT is the accommodation we all need.

 

[OurBigTrip]

I think we still need to see more on how the return to queue accommodation works before we can declare it is a reasonable accommodation.

Personally, I think Disney should have had all of the information on how these changes will work before they announced them. It has created a lot of added anxiety and worry.

I agree 100% that they should have had all of the info available before the unveiling.

 

[ryang25]

Because when leaving the line is an accommodation, demanding the DAS is a preference, not a need.

But leaving the line would not be a sufficient accommodation for everyone who falls outside of the ‘autism or similar’ category. It may be for some, but not everyone. If my UC is mild and my T1D well controlled, it would absolutely be sufficient for me.

If I am in the midst of a severe UC flare with poorly controlled blood glucose (which for me is inevitable in the Florida heat coming from the UK), it is not reasonable and trying to leave could cause me harm. This is actually something my doctor specified when applying for a similar system in the UK which actually required medical evidence.

 

[StarGirl11]

I think we still need to see more on how the return to queue accommodation works before we can declare it is a reasonable accommodation.

Personally, I think Disney should have had all of the information on how these changes will work before they announced them. It has created a lot of added anxiety and worry.

I definitely agree though I kinda wonder if someone released it as a means of gauging ahead of time if they need to make alterations to what they have planned. Which isn’t the best in terms of everything but I would rather have them realize that they need to maybe rethink something. Then have it dropped on us without notice and thus without seeing the actual impact ahead of time.

 

[OurBigTrip]

But leaving the line would not be a sufficient accommodation for everyone who falls outside of the ‘autism or similar’ category. It may be for some, but not everyone. If my UC is mild and my T1D well controlled, it would absolutely be sufficient for me.

If I am in the midst of a severe UC flare with poorly controlled blood glucose (which for me is inevitable in the Florida heat coming from the UK), it is not reasonable and trying to leave could cause me harm. This is actually something my doctor specified when applying for a similar system in the UK which actually required medical evidence.

So what do you do if you’re in the LL and these things happen?