College entrance cheating scandal

Oh, this isn't unique. I've seen it in high school; parents who push to get "extra time" or "breaks during tests". I'm not putting down kids who actually need it /use it ... but some parents manage to get it for their kids "just because". Some try to get it added senior year because kids with IEPs can use them in college too ... advanced registration, skipping over dorm room lottery, etc.

And, this is so sad. There are kids who legitimately need the extra time or whatever because of real diagnosis (not "created" by the parents), and now everyone who has an IEP is going to wonder how many people are thinking LESS of them and wondering whether the disability is "real" or imagined to create an edge. As I said above, my son has NEVER used his, precisely for this reason. It's sad. He'd definitely do better on exams if he took them in a quiet room without distractions. The distractions cause him to make mistakes which hurt his grades. He's still doing well, but he could be doing better. But, he won't take the accommodation.
 
I'm starting to feel guilty about my son's 504.

My youngest son had a horrific OLSAT score back in 5th grade...one that would make you question if he could ever live on his own. The following year he took the SBAC exam and scored 4s (highest you can get, I guess). His teachers and principal immediately said "SBAC isn't timed". Then at the pediatrician's annual appointment, it turned out he had a mild hearing loss (high decibel thing that I was told wasn't that major a deal, but should be followed). Still...between the two (and his ability to drift off), I was encouraged to get him a 504 just in case. So we went to a specialist and let me tell you, this doctor gave me about five diagnosis that could have bankrupted the school system. Fortunately, I'm from a family of educators and know better.

So DS carries on with a 504 plan I've never really had to break out. I figured when he starts doing timed standardized test, he would get extra time. But I don't want to be like these people! LOL
 
No, at least the one I saw on Youtube clearly didn't want to.
Saw one of them interviewed about "how excited they were about the crew parties and something similar to not interested in studying, or something stupid like that. Entitled, spoiled, helicopter parents.. what does one expect?>:(:(
 
To be argumentative ...

- These parents have broken the law and deserve punishment ... but they aren't violent criminals. How does society benefit from them being incarcerated? Okay, they serve as a warning, but is that valuable enough for taxpayers to support them in prison?
- Fines would mean nothing to them.
- I think they should be court-ordered to do something to help public schools /society in general. Build /create /maintain -- and personally work at -- a tutoring center for less-able children?
I don't think these parents are stupid, but they think they are "above the rules". I doubt they have an end game; they're just thinking of getting their kids into THE SCHOOL. As a high school teacher, I've known plenty of parents who were absolutely rabid to get their kids into THE SCHOOL ... but they didn't have this type of money.
Again, I'm being argumentative ... suppose you're Mama Criminal. You are CAUGHT, and you know it's going to be bad for you. You can't save yourself, but you CAN say that your kid had no idea, and you can attempt to claim that you acted alone. Wouldn't you do it? Wouldn't you throw that Hail Mary pass and try to save your kid? (Remember, you're answering as Mama Criminal.)
I know people who do that with high school work, but I can't prove it: Mostly it's kids who can't write anything in class, but somehow all assignments (for example papers) that take several days /can be completed outside class are top-quality ... and can't be found online -- and finding plagiarism online is easy: you just pick a sentence (from the middle of the paper) that contains ... unlikely vocabulary or sentence structure, and you'll find it with google quick as anything. Usually it's moms, but occasionally it's girlfriends who do the work. It's not too hard for me to figure out what's happening.

What I can do about this: I point out to the student that his at-home writing is SUPERB, and I ask why he isn't doing as well on simpler, in-class things like short answers on tests? I might ask, "How is it that you've written this A paper, yet on short in-class writing or on test questions you're not using appropriate subject-verb or even capital letters. Now that I know what you're capable of doing, I expect to see this level of competency on ALL your work!" Doesn't fix what I know he didn't write, but it holds his nose to the grindstone for future work in a way that's uncomfortable for him. I always call home in these situations too, to praise the work /let mom know I expect to see him writing like that in class too.

Occasionally Mom's writing is sub-par, and she gets PISSED OFF that he didn't earn an A. Occasionally I'll read the work to class as an example of excellent work; I never say WHOSE it is, but it always makes the kid squirm.
Hey, I went to high school with that girl! She was a member of the yearbook staff and stayed after school frequently, and she pretty much had the run of the place ... she'd go into the teachers' lounge and steal the mimeograph "back sides" out of the trash can, so she'd have copies of the test ahead of time. She also flat-out took papers from teachers' rooms. I personally saw her with tests. We went to a tiny high school, and all of us students knew it, and -- since she was so thoroughly disliked -- people told teachers what she was doing, but none of them ever believed us /couldn't catch her at it. She flunked out of college in a single year -- she had no background and couldn't do the work. Ha. No sympathy from me.
Yep, that's what I was describing above. Alternately, if they're taking a test, kids have a second computer or an ipad handy and look up the answers. The internet has created a wealth of ways for students to cheat. Apple watches are the newest method.

Years ago I bought a small book about How To Cheat on Tests from a clearance table. I was shocked. Having been a teacher for years, I know all the big ways, but I'd never considered some of those ideas.
As a high school teacher, I assure you, this is a teen thing. I don't have to work at looking good. My hair just falls into place like this. No, I'm just wearing a bit of eye shadow. No one believes it.
When I don't want to sound like an entitled, spoiled, ungrateful brat ... I don't speak like an entitled, spoiled, ungrateful brat. Maybe that's just me.

As for wanting to attend a selective college, nah. She's not into it. She sounds just like my students who say, "Yes, I am planning to attend a four-year party." Experience tells me that those are the students who end up attending a one-semester /one-year party ... then they flunk out, but my students don't have this kid's money.
Oh, this isn't unique. I've seen it in high school; parents who push to get "extra time" or "breaks during tests". I'm not putting down kids who actually need it /use it ... but some parents manage to get it for their kids "just because". Some try to get it added senior year because kids with IEPs can use them in college too ... advanced registration, skipping over dorm room lottery, etc.
I’m too lazy to snip and I haven’t really commented because I don’t have anything to add but how are kids using Apple Watches to cheat? They don’t have a browser or a keyboard so you can’t go online to look up the answers so what are they doing?
 


I’m too lazy to snip and I haven’t really commented because I don’t have anything to add but how are kids using Apple Watches to cheat? They don’t have a browser or a keyboard so you can’t go online to look up the answers so what are they doing?
I believe there are several apps where one could crib notes to display.
 
I believe there are several apps where one could crib notes to display.
I thought about that after I asked. It would be pretty damn obvious though. Guess they’ll have to use the same policy they do for phones. All that effort to cheat vs just doing the work. SMH
 
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They seem to be working on a way forward plan.
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They could recast or write the character out. I have never seen that particular show, but Hallmark has several actors that do shows for them on a regular basis who could probably take on the role and do just fine. Shows recast all the time.
 
They could recast or write the character out. I have never seen that particular show, but Hallmark has several actors that do shows for them on a regular basis who could probably take on the role and do just fine. Shows recast all the time.
Hallmark will figure it out. My opinion, there is pretty much zero chance they will recast a different actress into her specific role.
They bring in new actors and actresses to When Calls The Heart pretty frequently to play new roles.

I can see them (in one or two episodes) writing off her character and then electing a new Mayor. Life will go on in pretend 1910. :-)
 
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I thought about that after I asked. It would be pretty damn obvious though. Guess they’ll have to use the same policy they do for phones. All that effort to cheat vs just doing the work. SMH
Well - there have always been all sorts of technical cheats, including ones that have been built into ordinary looking watches. The first I've heard of was a blackjack card counting program that consisted of two switches that were toe activated and a special display that went into a cheap-looking Timex or Casio digital watch. All of that was done to evade detection. But yeah and Apple Watch or similar wrist-mounted device with a display would be pretty obvious. It's been more than 30 years since I've taken the SAT, but I remember hearing that calculators are now allowed (weren't when I took it), so I suppose using a calculator app on a wrist device wouldn't help.

I suppose it would have been perfect for analogies, but I heard that was removed. Something like a cracked app to mutter something where it comes up with synonyms or antonyms.
 
Well - there have always been all sorts of technical cheats, including ones that have been built into ordinary looking watches. The first I've heard of was a blackjack card counting program that consisted of two switches that were toe activated and a special display that went into a cheap-looking Timex or Casio digital watch. All of that was done to evade detection. But yeah and Apple Watch or similar wrist-mounted device with a display would be pretty obvious. It's been more than 30 years since I've taken the SAT, but I remember hearing that calculators are now allowed (weren't when I took it), so I suppose using a calculator app on a wrist device wouldn't help.

I suppose it would have been perfect for analogies, but I heard that was removed. Something like a cracked app to mutter something where it comes up with synonyms or antonyms.

Specific calculators are allowed on ACT and SAT tests, not all.

I know my sons must leave their phones in the car when taking exams at college
 
Well - there have always been all sorts of technical cheats, including ones that have been built into ordinary looking watches. The first I've heard of was a blackjack card counting program that consisted of two switches that were toe activated and a special display that went into a cheap-looking Timex or Casio digital watch. All of that was done to evade detection. But yeah and Apple Watch or similar wrist-mounted device with a display would be pretty obvious. It's been more than 30 years since I've taken the SAT, but I remember hearing that calculators are now allowed (weren't when I took it), so I suppose using a calculator app on a wrist device wouldn't help.

I suppose it would have been perfect for analogies, but I heard that was removed. Something like a cracked app to mutter something where it comes up with synonyms or antonyms.
I believe back when my husband and I took those tests (2005-2006) we could use TI-83 and TI-84 and below calculators but not TI-89 and I believe it was because the TI-89 could do calculus and I think other more advanced functions.
 
The list regarding which calculators are allowed for the PSAT and SAT is very specific. A few years ago the location where DS12 was taking the PSAT 8/9 didn't distribute the correct calculator list so the proctor tried to confiscate his calculator. I tried to show the head administrator the list I printed off but she refused to look at it. Luckily another mother who was a math teacher went to bat for me and set the test administrator straight.

In addition to her parents cheating to get her into a college she didn't want to attend, a game show may have been rigged in favor of Olivia Jade.
 
What's crazy is they could have donated $500k and probably gotten in thru a "back door" similar to a legacy admission.
It's the Lori L and Mossimio Cafeteria Pergola. lol
 
Hallmark will figure it out. My opinion, there is pretty much zero chance they will recast a different actress into her specific role.
They bring in new actors and actresses to When Calls The Heart pretty frequently to play new roles.

I can see them (in one or two episodes) writing off her character and then electing a new Mayor. Life will go on in pretend 1910. :-)
Kill her off with smallpox or spanish influenza. Wasnt there an epidemic around that time?
 
And, this is so sad. There are kids who legitimately need the extra time or whatever because of real diagnosis (not "created" by the parents), and now everyone who has an IEP is going to wonder how many people are thinking LESS of them and wondering whether the disability is "real" or imagined to create an edge. As I said above, my son has NEVER used his, precisely for this reason. It's sad. He'd definitely do better on exams if he took them in a quiet room without distractions. The distractions cause him to make mistakes which hurt his grades. He's still doing well, but he could be doing better. But, he won't take the accommodation.

You have to actually have a diagnosis to get an IEP or 504. Legally, schools can't just give them out because a parent just simply wants one. Now, can most parents get some sort of diagnosis, even if it is not really a problem? Yes, but they do have to go to a little bit of effort. 504s are easier as you only need a diagnosis of something non-academic to get one (anxiety, ADHD, etc....) However, legally, they also have to be a team decision. If the parents come in demanding extra time, all the teachers have to do is say, "Your child finishes before the time given 100% of the time, he doesn't need it" and we don't allow them to have it.

I had one parent want three 504s in one year because she kept taking her son to various doctors for more and more diagnoses. I finally called in the head of our district over 504s to meet with her and they pretty much told her to stop, we weren't giving her more accommodations as the teachers said he didn't need more.

As for going to college and getting accommodations.....my son has Asperger's. He never had an IEP or 504 because we homeschooled him. He still was able to go to his psychologist and get a letter and get needed accommodations. He has a single room accommodation and extended time on any assignment not given a week in advance (which has only come up once so far anyway, most professors stick to the syllabus and due dates are given well in advance.)
 
Honestly, if James Gunn can go back to Disney, they why can't Lori Loughlin go back to Hallmark?
Certainly Loughlin could work for Hallmark in the future. I don't think she will. She is an average actress, there are thousands without her baggage that could work on Hallmark shows.

James Gunn benefits in that he has an entirely different (and far more rare) skill set that Disney has decided it needs.

I'm not saying either is right or wrong, just calling it as I see it.
 
Hallmark will figure it out. My opinion, there is pretty much zero chance they will recast a different actress into her specific role.
They bring in new actors and actresses to When Calls The Heart pretty frequently to play new roles.

I can see them (in one or two episodes) writing off her character and then electing a new Mayor. Life will go on in pretend 1910. :-)

Agree. Plenty of other characters to take over the cafe and be mayor. Cody could move on wanting to be closer his bio aunt and his sister Becky and Abby follows him. Can be easily explain in a dear diary. Life goes on in Hope Valley.
 

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