Cleaning ride vehicles COVID-19 strategy

[James souder]

Cleaning ride vehicles COVID-19 strategy.
My idea is to use UV-C to sanitize the ride vehicles prior to you getting on. Subjecting the ride vehicles to intense UV-C or UV Light should help reduce the amount of viruses and germs. I’m not a cleaning specialist however that sounds like a fantastic idea, what do you think? Be nice.

 

[Heather07438]

I actually have a mobile pulse xenon UV antibacterial system for air and surface disinfection on premises in the absence of people (works via remote or timer). It's a 100 lb DNA/RNA mangler from Russia. Haven't used it to clean my car though.

 

[GuestOfHonorSteve]

What about from a theming perspective? Disney is all about immersion, how can they do it without looking like going to get an MRI? Or is that just the new normal? Mainly on rides that have the same load/unload station - that would be awkward no?

And how to you clean water rides?

 

[APiratesLifeForMe2]

It actually sounds like a genius long term plan. Now I don’t know anything about the logistics making sense but I’m intrigued. Especially for rides where you load/unload in separate areas.

 

[James souder]

I actually have a mobile pulse xenon UV antibacterial system for air and surface disinfection on premises in the absence of people (works via remote or timer). It's a 100 lb DNA/RNA mangler from Russia. Haven't used it to clean my car though.

What about from a theming perspective? Disney is all about immersion, how can they do it without looking like going to get an MRI? Or is that just the new normal? Mainly on rides that have the same load/unload station - that would be awkward no?

And how to you clean water rides?

There are some challenges with it. In areas that you can’t use ultraviolet radiation to sanitize ride vehicles I would suggest doing it by hand. The reason I suggested this is that you can do a larger number at one time. My thought was a rapid cleaning system. I would also like to note that it’s not good to be exposed to the style of white for any length of time. So the area used would have to be covered. Some of the rides have separate loading and unloading areas which is a good thing for this.

 

[James souder]

I meant ultraviolet light there was a typo, Auto correct

 

[GuestOfHonorSteve]

I like the idea, but it presents huge challenges in my mind. Would they have to overhaul every attraction to create a "cleaning room"? Would someone from the College Program (or low wage worker) be adequately trained to perform the cleaning? Magic Kindom is out of real estate for a lot of the rides. And with the Anniversary? That would be a crazy overhaul.

I'm just thinking, say going to the parks with a young one, and they see people in suits spraying down rides with hazmat masks on with UV sanitizers - and I thought Alien Encounters was scary as a 12 year old - and then get on Frozen?

My perception is that this pandemic will end, be a one-off by winter, and a few sanitation policies will be permanently implemented. Like how lap bars are on Splash Mountain to create the perception of safety to comfort guests. I don't think say, given the suggested policies of having hand satizers will actually make a dent, it will just get people feel comfortable getting back into the parks.

 

[James souder]

I like the idea, but it presents huge challenges in my mind. Would they have to overhaul every attraction to create a "cleaning room"? Would someone from the College Program (or low wage worker) be adequately trained to perform the cleaning? Magic Kindom is out of real estate for a lot of the rides. And with the Anniversary? That would be a crazy overhaul.

I'm just thinking, say going to the parks with a young one, and they see people in suits spraying down rides with hazmat masks on with UV sanitizers - and I thought Alien Encounters was scary as a 12 year old - and then get on Frozen?

My perception is that this pandemic will end, be a one-off by winter, and a few sanitation policies will be permanently implemented. Like how lap bars are on Splash Mountain to create the perception of safety to comfort guests. I don't think say, given the suggested policies of having hand satizers will actually make a dent, it will just get people feel comfortable getting back into the parks.

Most ultraviolet sanitizing systems work with a flash of light, there’s many different styles. And I’ve noticed here lately on Amazon and eBay when you put this in and search it it’s coming up more and more and more.
To work with a professional ultraviolet sanitizer you would have to have a certain amount of training. It was just an idea to speed up cleaning of the ride vehicles, but I’m pretty sure Disney already deploys the style of sanitization in other areas such as its hotels etc. .
I would say no to the overhaul due to the fact that with today’s technology these machines are much smaller than what they used to be.

 

[RamblingMad]

Most ultraviolet sanitizing systems work with a flash of light, there’s many different styles. And I’ve noticed here lately on Amazon and eBay when you put this in and search it it’s coming up more and more and more.
To work with a professional ultraviolet sanitizer you would have to have a certain amount of training. It was just an idea to speed up cleaning of the ride vehicles, but I’m pretty sure Disney already deploys the style of sanitization in other areas such as its hotels etc. .
I would say no to the overhaul due to the fact that with today’s technology these machines are much smaller than what they used to be.

How long does it take?

Take a ride like Peter Pan. You enter the ride almost as quickly as the people departing. Some of the dark rides would be disrupted with constant stops and starts.

 

[James souder]

How long does it take?

Take a ride like Peter Pan. You enter the ride almost as quickly as the people departing. Some of the dark rides would be disrupted with constant stops and starts.

There or a few of attraction such as Peter Pan It’s A Small World and more, that has no place that you could actually set up a system like this. Unfortunately they would fall to hand cleaning with sanitizer and a Towel .

Unfortunately this is not the perfect solution. I don’t think there is a perfect solution. If you’re looking for the perfect solution let’s hope this virus goes away. I just a note, these ultraviolet systems are available for your home .

They have air cleaner versions of them and they also have versions that go right into your air handler’s. I have two that operate in my house and have had them there for two years. Due to the fact that my mother had cancer. I learned about these lights back in the 70s when my grandfather died of cancer that he contracted while working in a coal mines. they do work.

 

[RamblingMad]

There or a few of attraction such as Peter Pan It’s A Small World and more, that has no place that you could actually set up a system like this. Unfortunately they would fall to hand cleaning with sanitizer and a Towel .

Unfortunately this is not the perfect solution. I don’t think there is a perfect solution. If you’re looking for the perfect solution let’s hope this virus goes away. I just a note, these ultraviolet systems are available for your home .

They have air cleaner versions of them and they also have versions that go right into your air handler’s. I have two that operate in my house and have had them there for two years. Due to the fact that my mother had cancer. I learned about these lights back in the 70s when my grandfather died of cancer that he contracted while working in a coal mines. they do work.

I’m trying to get my head around reopening. I think it’s possible that some attractions don’t open.

 

[James souder]

I’m trying to get my head around reopening. I think it’s possible that some attractions don’t open.

Yes I agree.

 

[DLgal]

Far UV light is the way to go, long term, for future public space usage.

The main obstacle right now is the insanely high price tag for effective and safe far UV lamps. The average cost for one of these bulbs is $1,000. The ones you are seeing online for purchase are not the right type. Most of those are unsafe to use in areas with humans. FAR UV bulbs, on the other hand, pose NO threat to skin or eyes and can be used where people are. They are in use in some hospitals and public transit systems around the world already.

The idea right now is that this will catch on as the best way forward and production will ramp up, lowering the cost of them so they can be put into wide usage.

 

[ChrisFL]

I've been thinking about this, and it will be easier for those attractions where unload is a bit far from load, like Pirates, Haunted Mansion, Spaceship Earth, etc. where they could possibly add a spray or UV light or something in the area between, but other attractions have load/unload right next to each other or directly across from each other, so that would be less easy, like Small World, Peter Pan, etc.

 

[James souder]

Far UV light is the way to go, long term, for future public space usage.

The main obstacle right now is the insanely high price tag for effective and safe far UV lamps. The average cost for one of these bulbs is $10,000. The ones you are seeing online for purchase are not the right type. Most of those are unsafe to use in areas with humans. FAR UV bulbs, on the other hand, pose NO threat to skin or eyes and can be used where people are. They are in use in some hospitals and public transit systems around the world already.

The idea right now is that this will catch on as the best way forward and production will ramp up, lowering the cost of them so they can be put into wide usage.

I’m quite aware of the cost of lightbulbs. Sounds like you’re talking about a discharge lamp, completely the wrong thing. I have lamps of my stock the cost of the excess of $89.00 to $700 each. However there is technology out there now that’s much cheaper, I’m not sure about it being safer. A lot of this would be up to the engineers/Imagineer is on how to use it. However Disney already deploys this type of technology elsewhere on the property. It’s commonly used in aquariums AC air handling systems Air cleaners, etc. after all you don’t want something that’s going to frAir cleaners, etc.. Even in my industry there are safety issues with the lamps I work with due to the UV. A lot of the lighting fixtures I work with require discharge lamps that have ultraviolet shields inside of them. I’m thinking about something a little bit more on the focused side versus it blasting all over the room. I’ve worked with Lighting for over 40 so my dears I have a little bit of a unique view of it and skill. However ultraviolet sanitizers is a little new to me.

 

[cobright]

Cleaning ride vehicles COVID-19 strategy.
My idea is to use UV-C to sanitize the ride vehicles prior to you getting on. Subjecting the ride vehicles to intense UV-C or UV Light should help reduce the amount of viruses and germs. I’m not a cleaning specialist however that sounds like a fantastic idea, what do you think? Be nice.

Ultra Violet Germicidal Irradiation (UVGI) would require a fairly long cycle time. The method used by Nebraska Medical takes about 15 minutes.

Not only that but the UVC light is very dangerous and must run in an empty locked room.

The FDA did just approve a method for disinfecting N95 masks that uses vaporised hydrogen peroxide. This would have the advantage of being very fast and have no harmful residue. The peroxide is split into water and oxygen gas in the process.

I would think that in practice, just the hand holdables would need to be wiped down.

 

[DLgal]

I’m quite aware of the cost of lightbulbs. Sounds like you’re talking about a discharge lamp, completely the wrong thing. I have lamps of my stock the cost of the excess of $89.00 to $700 each. However there is technology out there now that’s much cheaper, I’m not sure about it being safer. A lot of this would be up to the engineers/Imagineer is on how to use it. However Disney already deploys this type of technology elsewhere on the property. It’s commonly used in aquariums AC air handling systems Air cleaners, etc. after all you don’t want something that’s going to frAir cleaners, etc.. Even in my industry there are safety issues with the lamps I work with due to the UV. A lot of the lighting fixtures I work with require discharge lamps that have ultraviolet shields inside of them. I’m thinking about something a little bit more on the focused side versus it blasting all over the room. I’ve worked with Lighting for over 40 so my dears I have a little bit of a unique view of it and skill. However ultraviolet sanitizers is a little new to me.

Ultra Violet Germicidal Irradiation (UVGI) would require a fairly long cycle time. The method used by Nebraska Medical takes about 15 minutes.

Not only that but the UVC light is very dangerous and must run in an empty locked room.

The FDA did just approve a method for disinfecting N95 masks that uses vaporised hydrogen peroxide. This would have the advantage of being very fast and have no harmful residue. The peroxide is split into water and oxygen gas in the process.

I would think that in practice, just the hand holdables would need to be wiped down.

You are both taking about a different kind of light than I am.

Read this:

https://www.laserfocusworld.com/las...airborne-flu-viruses-without-danger-to-humans

 

[James souder]

That sounds good, my method would require building and testing. It is definitely something to think of for the future. Unfortunately I haven’t put my entire idea out there but, I think it’s a good one.

 

[cobright]

Take a ride like Peter Pan. You enter the ride almost as quickly as the people departing. Some of the dark rides would be disrupted with constant stops and starts.

Whatever system they settle on, I think some of the rides with an omnimover loading system will end up having their loading staggered. Directing guests to either even or odd ride cars or loading a block of cars and then letting a similar block go unloaded to give other CMs the time to disinfect them.

The alternative is to slow the loading down but you can't when the loading is matched to the speed of the ride.

 

[cobright]

You are both taking about a different kind of light than I am.

They calculate the dose, or exposure energy and duration, of light needed to disinfect something in millijoules per square centimeter of its surface area. FAR-UVC works well and quickly on airborn virus because airborn virus have very little surface area. I can't find anything suggesting it could be useful for disinfecting non-airborn virus.