Another week, another shooting

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  1. LSUmiss

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    My reply was in response to the poster who said that it was racist to say that Ireland is better than the US. That’s not racism.
     
  2. LSUmiss

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    The gap between the very rich & very poor is huge in this country & continuing to grow.
     
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  4. longboard55

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    interesting stat. There are 9 states that restrict high capacity magazines
    here is how they rank as safest states for guns deaths
    MA 1
    NY 2
    Hawaii 3
    Con 4
    New Jersey 5
    California 7
    Vermont 14
    Maryland 18
    Colorado 30

    so 6 out or 9 are top 10 safest, 8 out of 9 top 20.
     
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  5. Colleen27

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    It is a tough question, but it seems like there has to be a better method than the one we have now. Several shooters in recent incidents have had contact with police that was ascribed to mental illness, even though they fell short of the criteria for involuntary commitment. It seems fairly reasonable to think that we could devise some sort of "buffer period", if not an outright ownership ban, following such incidents.

    That "one person" is the official spokesperson for the organization, using the official NRA Twitter account. Not just some random post.

    I'm not sure what socialism has to do with it, but our childhood poverty and inequality rates are among the highest of the world's developed nations. Just to use a few of the countries that have already been mentioned in this thread, our childhood poverty rate is almost 22%; Canada's is about 15%; Switzerland is 6%. We also have the 7th-highest rate of income inequality among the OCED nations. Canada is 19, Switzerland is 22.
     
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    I'm not sure what socialism has to do with it, but our childhood poverty and inequality rates are among the highest of the world's developed nations. Just to use a few of the countries that have already been mentioned in this thread, our childhood poverty rate is almost 22%; Canada's is about 15%; Switzerland is 6%. We also have the 7th-highest rate of income inequality among the OCED nations. Canada is 19, Switzerland is 22.[/QUOTE]

    Thank you very much. This is what I was referring to.
     
  7. Hikergirl

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    What really matters though is how they ranked before they were banned and how they rank after, if using the stats as check in the pro box for banning them. Have they changed, or are they the same as before? Also gun deaths, does that include suicides? How many of the deaths were more than 10 people at a time? How many were single deaths shot more than 10 times? IMO all these things matter. I mean we can say banning high capacity mags will save lives and they may but the stats you post don't actually prove they do. I personally would not like to see knee jerk reactions from our law makers based on opinions and feel good emotions, I want to see reasonable changes based on actual facts because we KNOW it will make a difference.

    I live in NY, the Safe Act has been in effect since 2013, I don't know when the other states banned them.
    I am having trouble finding stats for gun deaths in those states in years prior to that.
     
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    I've read that many Jewish people are arming themselves after the synagogue attack.

    http://observers.france24.com/en/20181102-jews-pittsburgh-synagogue-attack-firearms-guns-training
     
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    I've been to South America, Europe, and Africa and it's not near the gap that they have. I agree there are many rich people in this country, but the poverty is nowhere near what you see in other countries.
     
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  10. Hikergirl

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    I agree, but I believe we have to find some way of doing it so that people who do have issues don't have access to guns.
    I don't know what that is but I believe if our government set their minds to it and worked together they could come up with something.
     
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    "Drugs and Poverty"? So they have an excuse to kill? Oh, please!
     
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    Canada and Switzerland are very small countries compared to the US. They have nowhere near the population that the US has. Nor do they take in all the immigrants that we do. You have to compare apples to apples. The population of Switzerland is not much more then the middle America city I live in. It's about the same as NYC.
     
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  13. LSUmiss

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    Of course not, but those things are so pervasive & complicated. But they also less often involve innocent ppl.
     
  14. CdnCarrie

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    Per capita it is oranges to oranges.
     
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    A country of 8 million compared to a country of what 350-400 million with immigrants. No comparison.
     
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    Yet other countries have similar divorce rates and no trend of mass shootings.
    Try again.
     
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    Nope not an exaggeration.
     
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  18. Gumbo4x4

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    I don’t think that’s what PP is saying at all. Different motivation doesn’t mean “justified”.
     
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    Are you Canadian?
     
  20. Hikergirl

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    They could work together for the good of the people, the problem is they won't.
     
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    Congrats on your safe country!

    With regard to your, “...without the fear of a white man with mental illness killing people...”:

    In my region of the U.S. there is an epidemic of young middle school and high school students being torturously murdered with knives and machetes because they disagree with a culture that tries to recruit them into a gang lifestyle. Their bodies are discovered in wooded areas with such frequency that it barely gets anything more than a passing mention on our local news. It’s such a shame that we must live in constant fear of Latinos killing our children.

    * Hopefully all who read this are able to identify the racism and utter stupidity that oozes from my facetious post. While it’s true there is a very real gang problem in my region, the problem is not the machetes nor the race of those who use them to murder our children. Placing blame or casting aspersions on an entire race, any race, because of the actions of some members of that race is wrong, counterproductive and disgusting.
     

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