another reason to fly southwest

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well despite my comments about them earlier in the week, i guess i'll have to take a second look at Southwest - they're the only airline resisting this trend.....according to the article below from the New York Times...

At Least the Airsickness Bags Are Free
By MICHELINE MAYNARD

Published: August 16, 2008

As far as airlines are concerned, you are no longer just a passenger. You are an opportunity to raise “ancillary revenue.” And when it comes to charging for things that were once free, the sky’s the limit.

In just a few short months, the airlines have discovered to their glee that their customers are willing to pay for most everything from checked bags to soft drinks to pillows and blankets — and are doing so without much fuss. With that knowledge in hand, the airlines aren’t about to stop.

From United to JetBlue, from Delta to US Airways (which Time magazine recently called the industry’s “stingiest” airline), marketing staffs are coming up with ways to extract more money from travelers’ wallets.

The opportunities seem enormous: United thinks that it can raise as much as $1 billion a year from this new menu of fees, which the industry has called an à la carte approach.

The airlines are unapologetic, with a ready excuse in the form of record jet fuel prices, which topped $4 a gallon this summer. “Airlines need to have a way to recover the cost of their product,” said Edward Bastian, the president and chief financial officer of Delta.

Fast-rising oil prices kicked in the door to higher ticket prices and other fees that the airlines couldn’t wedge ajar in recent years, thanks to a plethora of Internet travel sites that passengers use to find the cheapest fares. Most of the new fees apply to coach tickets on domestic flights.

Many travelers seem willing to accept the airlines’ explanation that consumers must shoulder the burden of higher fuel prices. “We all understand that gas and oil are so expensive,” said Kay Kelly, 57, a physical therapist who traveled from Florida to Fargo, N.D., earlier this month for a class reunion and family visit. “There’s only so much they can do to stay competitive, and we don’t get too riled up over the fees.”

Voicing a sentiment that the airlines must hope other travelers will embrace, she continued: “If we’re going to fly, we’re going to fly — and whatever it is, it is. It wouldn’t prevent us from going where we want to go.”

Travelers’ willingness to accept the fees isn’t attributable solely to their acknowledgment of higher gas prices. Consumers have seen service charges popping up on everything from tickets to Broadway shows and rock concerts to amenities on cruise ships. Across the economy, marketers have turned the practice of tacking on extras into an art form, softening up airline passengers for what now seems to have been inevitable.

Another factor is at play, too. Overnight, the 9/11 attacks turned travel from an adventure into a hardship, with intrusive security checks that passengers must endure if they want to board a plane.

Add it all up, and the landscape for air travelers has changed drastically. The shift causes veteran customer service experts to shake their heads. Mary Gilly, a professor of marketing at the University of California, Irvine, said: “I think the airlines are being pretty disingenuous calling it ‘à la carte pricing.’ Please. This is not a Chinese menu.”

Yet the airlines seem to have turned a deaf ear to any grumbling that is heard in airport corridors and that resounds on industry Web sites. That’s not surprising, considering the money they’ve generated in a short time by charging for former freebies. JetBlue collected $40 million in the second quarter by charging extra for seats with more legroom. United, meanwhile, expects to yield $275 million this year from charges for baggage.

As they rearrange the dynamics of what customers can expect for their air fares, the carriers are looking at charging for everything from selecting a seat — any seat, not just a window or aisle seat, or one with extra legroom — to wireless Internet connections.

They’re also considering a new type of all-expenses-paid ticket that would include all the “services” for which they now charge extra. In other words, it would be an easy, one-stop way to pay for everything that was free just a few short months ago.

THE word “glamorous” hasn’t applied to air travel for quite some time. But passengers like Leo Lanoie, 59, a doctor in Prince Albert, Saskatchewan, remember when it did. He recalls merry flights when even coach-class travelers could drink all the cocktails they wanted, gratis, and when the only complaint was that Air Canada served merely steak, not a choice of entrees.

Only five years ago, airline passengers could expect a free meal on many flights, along with a pillow, a blanket and a choice of magazines. These days, even business class can be less plush. The linen tablecloths were missing on a recent Northwest Airlines flight from Detroit to London — the catering crew did not put them on board the plane, one flight attendant explained — and the warm bread promised for breakfast on the printed menu turned out to be a cold cheese Danish.

BUT those are minor complaints, compared with the major adjustments that passengers have had to make of late. First, five airlines decided in April to begin charging passengers $25 to check a second bag and even more to check a third bag, depending on the carrier. Then, US Airways, American and United announced that travelers would pay $15 to check their first suitcase. (Spirit Airlines, a low-fare carrier, already charged for baggage checks.)

“I suppose people are generally acting like they’re O.K. with the fees because they don’t feel like they have a choice,” said Mr. Lanoie, who flew through Chicago on United recently. “All the airlines are doing it, so it’s not as though you can just take your business elsewhere.”

Such a sense of helplessness is widespread, said Banwari Mittal, a professor of marketing at Northern Kentucky University and an expert on consumer behavior.

“Consumers will get angry when they find a target of retribution, which is a specific company or a specific person,” Professor Mittal said. “But when it’s the macro environment, there’s nothing to get angry at.”

Moreover, passengers have learned that venting their anger at an airline employee means that they may be escorted off the premises by federal authorities, Professor Gilly said. “You complain at Starbucks, you get a freebie,” she said, “If you throw a fit at an airport, you could be picked up by the T.S.A.”

That helps explain why even the most controversial changes, like a recent decision by US Airways to begin charging $1 for coffee and tea, and $2 for bottled water, have slipped through without much dissent. Before that charge took effect earlier this month, the flight attendants union at US Airways vowed that attendants would provide free beverages in order to calm irate passengers.

Water riots, however, have failed to materialize, and the airline said in a recent employee newsletter that the change had come off without a hitch. “The feedback? Pretty darn good!” the airline declared in the newsletter, called AboutUS.

David Barger, the chief executive of JetBlue, took a similar tone when explaining his airline’s decision to begin charging $7 for a pillow and blanket set on flights lasting two hours or more. “It’s a nice way to offer an amenity to our customers,” he told Larry King on CNN last week, adding that because the kits contained a $5 coupon for a purchase at Bed Bath & Beyond, the net cost was really just $2.

European airlines actually beat their American counterparts in adopting fee schedules that catch even some seasoned travelers off guard.

“We were on a flight from Paris to Stockholm on SAS, and they charged us three euros ($4.45) for a bottle of water, and it wasn’t even that big,” said Christy Kuczak of Washington, D.C.

Ms. Kuczak, 31, an employee of the United States Fish and Wildlife Service, said she was in line at an airport recently when passengers were told that they could be charged hundreds of dollars extra if their luggage weighed more than 100 pounds. (The standard bag weight is about 40 pounds.) “You could hear everyone gasping, and looking at their bags, and wondering,” Ms. Kuczak said.

Even as many airlines embrace the fees, there have been holdouts. Continental Airlines still provides meals, pillows and blankets, although it joined the others in charging to check a second bag.

Southwest Airlines, which carries the largest number of passengers within the United States, has staunchly resisted other airlines’ efforts to impose new fees and charges and is using its decision as the basis for a marketing campaign.

“LUV” — the airline’s stock ticker symbol — “is freedom from fees,” Southwest declares on the front page of its Web site. It is not freedom from higher fares: Southwest, like other carriers, has raised its prices a number of times since the price of oil hit $100 a barrel in early January.

“We decided we would make a strategic business decision that customers would rather deal with transparent pricing,” said David Ridley, senior vice president for marketing and revenue management. The charges at other airlines are “just a brand violation for us,” he said.

Southwest was the only major airline to earn a profit in the second quarter, when the other majors collectively lost $6 billion, so it can afford to be a holdout. And Mr. Ridley acknowledges that it is leaving easy money on the table at a time when other airlines’ actions would give it cover.

One of the biggest questions for the industry is whether passengers will be so compliant if energy prices continue a recent decline.

Jet fuel, which reached $4.26 a gallon in mid-July, dropped to $3.20 last week, according to the International Air Transport Association, reflecting a similar decline in gasoline prices. The decline prompted some Wall Street analysts to raise their ratings for shares in the major airlines, which they said would benefit from lower fuel prices, coupled with their new fees.

Given that, Mr. Ridley says he believes that the airlines, which are grounding planes and cutting about 8 percent of their available seats this fall, will not rush to remove the charges, which he likens to “fee heroin.”

Gerard J. Arpey, the chief executive of AMR, American’s parent, says the latest fuel prices remain well above those of a year ago, when jet fuel cost $2.16 a gallon and oil was about $72 a barrel. “We’ve gone from a Category 5 hurricane to a Category 4,” said Mr. Arpey, whose airline was among the first to charge $15 to check a bag. “The industry is still struggling enormously under the weight.”

Delta, for its part, has maintained something of a middle ground. It has not charged passengers to check their first bag, although its two bigger competitors, American and United, are doing so.

To Delta, Mr. Bastian said, plane fare means “a ticket, a bag, and a safe and reliable experience.”

“Beyond that,” he added, “we need to experiment and see what the additional experiences are that the traveling public will pay for and what they’re not interested in paying for.”

One likely next step is wireless Internet connections, which Delta, American and others plan to offer for about $10 to $13 a flight.

“We don’t believe customers have really quite gotten the full impact of all these fees,” Mr. Ridley said. When fliers arrive at airports for Thanksgiving or Christmas trips, their reaction “is going to be, ‘What is that?’ ” he said.

Southwest is betting that customers will turn to it as a refuge from fees, just as drivers shifted from big sport utility vehicles and pickups to smaller vehicles when gasoline prices reached $4 a gallon. There is no concrete proof just yet in terms of bookings, Mr. Ridley acknowledged.

But that could happen if passengers reach a personal tipping point. For Beth Schroeder, 48, a lawyer in Los Angeles, that point would come if there were fees for two basic needs. “Once they start charging for coffee and a carry-on, that’s when I’ll be frustrated,” she said. “That would be extreme.”

For Ms. Schroeder, it’s already one down, one to go.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/business/17fees.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
 
The airlines are going to see the same trend that happened with the increase of gas prices. People are going to drive only when necessary and demand will go down.

People are not going to decide against traveling when the price get ridiculous.

I think we are about to see some airlines (majors) go out of business if this keeps up.
 
on my trip to the states in may/june, i flew business class internationally and then first class inside the US (detroit-tampa-detroit, then detroit-phoenix-detroit)....
i used frequent flyer points and upgrades so i couldn't complain too much..
but the service and amenities were atrocious for classes that cost 5 arms and 4 legs to fly..
had i been paying actual money i would have been livid...

but after the level of service (or rather the lack thereof), i have pledged to never again fly northworst internationally....i often don't have a choice domestically (their near monopoly hold on detroit makes it difficult), but i won't fly them across any major bodies of water.....this time i really mean it......lots of other airlines flying internationally who still think customer service is something to strive for...
 
Honestly, the airlines can't really at this point be convinced the customers are alright with this.

These fees are too new, within the past 6 months. Most of the passengers had already planned on taking a trip this year. They are just stuck with what the airlines give them.

The real affects won't be seen for 6 more months! Less routes, more expensive seats, the additional fees... people WILL rethink a trip if they start seeing air fare doubling or tripling. Look at Disney, the same thing the Pod Cast crew has been saying. The economy might be bad now, but Disney wouldn't see the slow down until the following year. So many trips were booked and planned far, far in advance.

I can totally understand instituting baggage fees through out this year. The price of oil sky rocketed, the airlines already had numerous flights booked based on an old pricing model of cheaper fuel. Either take a huge loss, or institute a reasonable fee to help re-coup the loss.

But I think extra fees is a stop gap solution. I'm fine with it temporarily. BUT work on building a pricing model that includes those fees.

I'm really happy to hear that Southwest is going against this ridiculous 'ala carte' trend.
 
My friend flew SW to Orlando last week for vacation. When they landed the FA said
since there are so many kids on board, I'll go ahead and sing (think that Barney tune): "I love you, you love us, this was much faster than the bus. No surcharge, no bag fee, and if you marry one of us you'll fly for free!"
:rotfl:
 
My friend flew SW to Orlando last week for vacation. When they landed the FA said

since there are so many kids on board, I'll go ahead and sing (think that Barney tune): "I love you, you love us, this was much faster than the bus. No surcharge, no bag fee, and if you marry one of us you'll fly for free!"

:lmao:
i LOVE that!!!
 
I must admit, I flew AirTran this past summer for two different trips. I much prefer SWA vs. AT. AT was consistently late or delayed and they always seem to fly through Atlanta. That's a hellacious airport to navigate!! Trying to do the mad-dash through Terminal C to get to Terminal D was a real pain in the neck. My next flights will be back with SWA.
 
I've driven to WDW from NY twice. Even with gas prices, I still think it's cheaper than flying now. Plus, we got to stop overnight and see Charleston and Savannah. Unfortunately, we have to fly this time bc my DD is only 19 months. I don't think two long days of driving would go over very well.
 
I considered driving for our December trip. I estematied a 2 day drive from Pa for us would run about $600 roundtrip with hotel seats and meals. Flyings costing us $1000 for r/t on SWA. It's more than I wanted to pay. But 4 days if my vacaTion time is worth about a grand.

If it were a nicer drive, then it might be part of the vacation. But 95 is BORING. and I just want to get there. Not sight see
 
Honestly, the airlines can't really at this point be convinced the customers are alright with this.

These fees are too new, within the past 6 months. Most of the passengers had already planned on taking a trip this year. They are just stuck with what the airlines give them.

The real affects won't be seen for 6 more months! Less routes, more expensive seats, the additional fees... people WILL rethink a trip if they start seeing air fare doubling or tripling. Look at Disney, the same thing the Pod Cast crew has been saying. The economy might be bad now, but Disney wouldn't see the slow down until the following year. So many trips were booked and planned far, far in advance.

I can totally understand instituting baggage fees through out this year. The price of oil sky rocketed, the airlines already had numerous flights booked based on an old pricing model of cheaper fuel. Either take a huge loss, or institute a reasonable fee to help re-coup the loss.

But I think extra fees is a stop gap solution. I'm fine with it temporarily. BUT work on building a pricing model that includes those fees.

I'm really happy to hear that Southwest is going against this ridiculous 'ala carte' trend.

i agree - i find it hard to believe that passengers are all right with this....
for the time being there are few alternatives, but i think that SWA may be onto something........i mean, if even i'm considering them, when i said i never would that must mean something.....and i bet there are others out there like me....

I considered driving for our December trip. I estematied a 2 day drive from Pa for us would run about $600 roundtrip with hotel seats and meals. Flyings costing us $1000 for r/t on SWA. It's more than I wanted to pay. But 4 days if my vacaTion time is worth about a grand.

If it were a nicer drive, then it might be part of the vacation. But 95 is BORING. and I just want to get there. Not sight see

that's the problem - taking the 2 days in each direction out of our vacation time.....but i guess maybe we have to get back into smelling the roses...
i used to love road trips when i was little....we never flew to florida, we always drove (from michigan)...a 2 day trip with us in the backseat harassing my parents to stop at lookout mountain and every other stupid tourist trap along the way....it was GREAT!!!...
getting there was a good part of the fun......no way i'd ever say that about flying these days...
 
I remember begging to stop at every tourist trap as a kid! My dad thought I was such a PITA! I understand how he felt now! LOL
 

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