As the virus drags on, are you relaxing your own standards?

ronandannette said:
Very interesting and logical. Thanks!

Have we heard anything further about children and Covid-Linked-Syndrome? Have incidents of that taken off anywhere? I've not seen anything more about it for a week or so (maybe more - admittedly time has lost all meaning for me :o ).
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I was wondering about the Child Inflammatory Syndrome as well
 
Colleen27 said:
I think colleges are going to push hard for as much "normal" as they can manage in the fall. They cannot afford the loss of enrollment that would come of staying distance-only for any length of time, and they know that in many areas of study, that makes for an inferior educational experience.

I've watched with interest as the tone of what we're getting from DD's school has changed, from "abundance of caution" to "the best possible experience for fall". They started out talking about a hybrid plan - take-out-only dining halls, no student activities, no sports or athletic facilities, etc. - and are now saying they plan to reopen more or less fully but with some distancing and improved cleaning processes to lower the risks. I think at some point they realized many students weren't going to come back and pay $70K+ for a year of mostly online classes, no resume-building activities or leadership opportunities, and little to no hands-on learning or networking with fellow students and professors. Of course, the changing trajectory of the pandemic is a factor too, as is the fact that the state is moving forward with reopening things faster than most expected, but I believe the bottom line was, well, the bottom line. Without students, there are no colleges. And college is too expensive to pay full price for half the experience.
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Yes, that's the exact dilemna we find ourselves faced with too. DS's college is close enough that he could technically commute to it, but we wanted him to have the full living on campus social experience. It had sounded though like even if they were able to live on campus, there wouldn't be very much that was "social" about it, with eating meals in rooms (no in-cafeteria dining), no social gatherings, athletic events, and so on, like you said too. If that's the case there is no point in paying for room and board, DS would commute or take classes online, and hope that by next year things would be better. The college is supposed to send something next month though outlining a possible plan, so we will wait and see
 
I am not relaxing my standards. No reason to, working from home is going just fine. Pick up take out food two days a week, go to the grocery store once a week. My employer has announced that they will be easing people back into the building three at a time. 23 out of about 140 never left the building. The first three returned this week. They will evaluate how that is going in two weeks, then decide how to proceed. Employees asked to return will get three weeks advance notice, so we are at least five weeks from the next three going back in.
 


Colleen27 said:
Yeah, exactly this. Plus we are coming to understand it far better than we did in the early days, which makes it more possible to assess risks and selectively resume normal activities. That wasn't possible at the start, when we didn't know as much about how it spreads and what precautions and conditions help or hinder contagion.
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Even "that woman" no longer adheres to strict social distancing. ;)
 
Mrs. Ciz said:
We have been really good with the social distancing over the last few months. My DD21 had only seen her boyfriend and his family from March 9th to May 15th. His family closed their house to everyone but her and we did the same. DS23 and DH had only seen 2 friends each (outside with social distancing). They also spent time on the golf course. I hadn’t been anywhere except for the grocery store once a week. I’m a middle school teacher and was working like crazy doing distance learning. That’s how it WAS.

Virginia moved to Phase I a couple of weeks ago. DD went up to her college to help her graduating boyfriend move home. She saw about 15 friends over the week she was there and had food and drinks on restaurant patios several times. I wasn’t totally happy about the number of people she saw, but it was out of my control. DS added a few more friends to his routine over the last couple of weeks as well. A week and a half ago, I finally left the house to go to a park, people watch and feed the ducks. Then this past weekend, we had dinner and drinks on a restaurant patio on Friday, and had a couple over for social distancing dinner and drinks on our deck on Sunday. Midweek I went over to another friend’s house for drinks around their outdoor firepit. It was nice to get out. I was a little nervous, but it was all outside with distancing.

Things sort of went crazy yesterday. Yesterday was our last day of school. All faculty and staff had to participate in an outdoor drive up book return because all the kids had to return the books they’d been using for the last 10 weeks of distance learning. Then we had to bucket brigade/human chain all the books back into the building and into the classrooms. It was 96 degrees outside. Most of us had masks on most of the time. I didn’t wear one because my job was to direct traffic. I was isolated and didn’t come in contact with anyone. But I did talk to a few of my teacher friends without a mask a couple of times - outside and not super close. During the bucket brigade was probably the closest I got to anyone. I didn’t think anything of it until today.

Today one of my teacher friends texted me that her nurse daughter just tested positive for Covid-19!!! Just got the test results back this morning. And her other daughter has symptoms too. She and her husband have 5 adult children plus two of the kids’ spouses and one baby living in their house right now. 10 people- all exposed now. And DD’s boyfriend is friends with her sons and was over at their house visiting for a few hours Saturday night. He and DD then spent all day Sunday together. Yikes!!! So he was exposed, and if he has it, DD has been exposed. DD also marched on Monday and Wednesday in 2 daytime protest marches (without our knowledge, wearing a mask but with hoards of people). So all that careful quarantining has been undone in just a couple weeks’ time. I hope and pray we all stay healthy. If we do, it will be because masks and hand washing saved us.
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ronandannette said:
:flower3: I hope you all stay well but would you consider coming back to update us? Yours is a very interesting set of circumstances where you have a fair number of people who are all known to you that have been exposed to a confirmed case. I realize it's not "scientific" but it would be worth knowing how many of you (hopefully not any!) contract it from what sounds like relatively casual contact. Any of us could be exposed in the same way at any time without knowing it.
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Mrs. Ciz said:
Yes! I’ll come back and update everyone. DD was a little freaked out by the exposure, so she went and got a nasal swab test this afternoon. It may be too early to tell, but she wanted to be tested anyway. Her boyfriend’s parents both got furloughed, and they don’t have health insurance right now, otherwise he’d have gotten tested today too. He’s going to lay low until DD’s test results come back or he develops symptoms. I’ll keep in touch with my teacher friend as well to see how her family is fairing.
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billlaurie said:
Just to ease your mind a bit want to give a recent experience. BIL had not been feeling quite right a month ago. He was still going to work. On the 4th day of feeling off he started running a fever, low grade for 3 days, he went and got tested and came up positive. He didn't quarantine until the fever. Symptoms progressed to mild GI distress, fatigue, mild body aches. He had exposed his wife and young adult sons, who live, work, and commute with him. Plus he had been going to work, though maintaining SD. No one else at home or work developed any symptoms. They did not get tested because until 2 weeks ago you had to show symptoms in our state.
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Update:
DD's test results came back negative. Whew! It's been 7 days for her and 8 days for her boyfriend since they were exposed and neither are showing symptoms. With this plus the negative test result, we are feeling relieved.

At my teacher friend's house, her nurse (who tested positive) daughter's fiance also tested positive. He's a fireman, so his whole shift is now on 14 day quarantine. Another daughter has symptoms but has not been tested. One son, also a fireman, had to get tested for work, and his results were negative. He is still required to quarantine for 14 days to protect the other men on his shift. No one else in the family (my teacher friend, her husband, 2 more sons, 2 kids' spouses and a grand baby) plans to get tested unless they develop symptoms. So far no one who came in contact with my teacher friend at our school book return day is showing symptoms either. Fingers crossed!
 
I'm not relaxing my standards, but I was never super hyper about being sanitized at all times either.

I will say, though, I am getting REALLY tired of wearing masks. I will not wear one outdoors. I put it on before I enter a place that requires them (basically everywhere right now here) but the minute I exit, it comes off. I don't even sanitize my hands first. I unhook the ear straps and pull it away from my face.

I also don't wash the masks immediately anymore. I hang them in the car and reuse them a few times.
 


Farro said:
My 81 year old dad just called - their favorite breakfast spot set up a big canopy outside for eating and he made us all breakfast reservations for 10:30 Saturday morning!!!

I can't wait to see my parents and go out to breakfast!!!

:D
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Breakfast was great! It was just a gorgeous day here in Chicago.

The tent was pretty big, tables spaced apart. Waitstaff wore masks. Everyone wore masks if they got up from table. My dad kept his mask on the whole time until he ate.
My parents look fantastic! I was worried all this may have taken it's toll, but my mom looked beautiful and my dad was all tan and his hair looked good. :D

We didn't hug my dad because I know he's still cautious. My mom opened her arms to get a hug from me so I gave her a big one. She's also 81 and has memory issues and I'm not going to turn down a hug request from my mom. ❤

He's having 10 of us over on Father's Day. Hopefully weather is nice and we can grill and drink some wine in their big yard.

:)
 
Farro said:
Breakfast was great! It was just a gorgeous day here in Chicago.

The tent was pretty big, tables spaced apart. Waitstaff wore masks. Everyone wore masks if they got up from table. My dad kept his mask on the whole time until he ate.
My parents look fantastic! I was worried all this may have taken it's toll, but my mom looked beautiful and my dad was all tan and his hair looked good. :D

We didn't hug my dad because I know he's still cautious. My mom opened her arms to get a hug from me so I gave her a big one. She's also 81 and has memory issues and I'm not going to turn down a hug request from my mom. ❤

He's having 10 of us over on Father's Day. Hopefully weather is nice and we can grill and drink some wine in their big yard.

:)
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So glad you got to see your parents!
 
Mrs. Ciz said:
Update:
DD's test results came back negative. Whew! It's been 7 days for her and 8 days for her boyfriend since they were exposed and neither are showing symptoms. With this plus the negative test result, we are feeling relieved.

At my teacher friend's house, her nurse (who tested positive) daughter's fiance also tested positive. He's a fireman, so his whole shift is now on 14 day quarantine. Another daughter has symptoms but has not been tested. One son, also a fireman, had to get tested for work, and his results were negative. He is still required to quarantine for 14 days to protect the other men on his shift. No one else in the family (my teacher friend, her husband, 2 more sons, 2 kids' spouses and a grand baby) plans to get tested unless they develop symptoms. So far no one who came in contact with my teacher friend at our school book return day is showing symptoms either. Fingers crossed!
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It makes sense that the one person with whom "patient zero" may have had intimate contact would get it and may imply it's not nearly as easily spread casually as we have feared. The fact that there's all these people in one household actually make for a very good, if small, experiment.

The idea of the fireman's shift having to isolate hits a little close to home. A colleague had cold symptoms last week and was tested. Negative, thankfully. If it hadn't been everyone in our office would have had to test (even without symptoms) and isolate until the results came back, not to mention contact all the customers with whom he had contact and inform them. :scared:
 
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ronandannette said:
Very interesting and logical. Thanks!

Have we heard anything further about children and Covid-Linked-Syndrome? Have incidents of that taken off anywhere? I've not seen anything more about it for a week or so (maybe more - admittedly time has lost all meaning for me :o ).
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There just hasn't been anything new to report, from what I understand. I've seen some recent stories about it from a particular angle, like what it will mean for trying to reopen schools and daycares, and some local updates about first cases in specific cities, but nothing new on the science of it. So it has kind of gotten buried under everything else going on at the moment.
 
Farro said:
Breakfast was great! It was just a gorgeous day here in Chicago.

The tent was pretty big, tables spaced apart. Waitstaff wore masks. Everyone wore masks if they got up from table. My dad kept his mask on the whole time until he ate.
My parents look fantastic! I was worried all this may have taken it's toll, but my mom looked beautiful and my dad was all tan and his hair looked good. :D

We didn't hug my dad because I know he's still cautious. My mom opened her arms to get a hug from me so I gave her a big one. She's also 81 and has memory issues and I'm not going to turn down a hug request from my mom. ❤

He's having 10 of us over on Father's Day. Hopefully weather is nice and we can grill and drink some wine in their big yard.

:)
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So happy for you! Sounds like a good day. :)
 
Colleen27 said:
There just hasn't been anything new to report, from what I understand. I've seen some recent stories about it from a particular angle, like what it will mean for trying to reopen schools and daycares, and some local updates about first cases in specific cities, but nothing new on the science of it. So it has kind of gotten buried under everything else going on at the moment.
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Have there been a lot of new cases anywhere?
 
Farro said:
Breakfast was great! It was just a gorgeous day here in Chicago.

The tent was pretty big, tables spaced apart. Waitstaff wore masks. Everyone wore masks if they got up from table. My dad kept his mask on the whole time until he ate.
My parents look fantastic! I was worried all this may have taken it's toll, but my mom looked beautiful and my dad was all tan and his hair looked good. :D

We didn't hug my dad because I know he's still cautious. My mom opened her arms to get a hug from me so I gave her a big one. She's also 81 and has memory issues and I'm not going to turn down a hug request from my mom. ❤

He's having 10 of us over on Father's Day. Hopefully weather is nice and we can grill and drink some wine in their big yard.

:)
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I'm so happy you were able to see your parents. What a precious gift!🥰
 
ronandannette said:
:rolleyes1Yep - she said it. And then you took it, misconstrued it in the ugliest possible way and ran in completely the wrong direction. As for hitting a nerve, well, yes - most certainly, considering you made a nasty and baseless accusation and then laughed and posted a snarkee and inflammatory come-back to her response.
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Many thanks and many hugs... pixiedust: :hug: :thanks::disrocks::love:
 
A major, well to me at least, step is today we had dine-in for the first time in 3 months (outside of curbside/delivery) 😊

Breakfast with my husband, outside and a bit hot being in the sun with it being nearly 80 already (with 80% humidity) but an enjoyable experience nonetheless. I was a bit nervous this morning, being the first time, but I'm less so now 🙂 Still had hand sanitizer with me to use though. Excited to try out dinner outside soon now :hyper:

For context dine-in has been allowed since May 4th on my side of the state line.
 
ronandannette said:
:rolleyes1Yep - she said it. And then you took it, misconstrued it in the ugliest possible way and ran in completely the wrong direction. As for hitting a nerve, well, yes - most certainly, considering you made a nasty and baseless accusation and then laughed and posted a snarkee and inflammatory come-back to her response.
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Using the Ignore button is really helpful in situations like this when a user goes on personal and inflammatory attacks.
 
ronandannette said:
Have there been a lot of new cases anywhere?
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Not that I've seen. It seems to be more a matter of now that it is recognized, doctors are starting to identify it in more places. But it seems to be a few cases here and a handful there, no real clusters other than the original (NYC/NJ still account for most U.S. cases) and no big surge. I saw one article that suggests the syndrome is similar to the cytokine storm that killed younger SARS patients during that outbreak years ago and another that suggests black children may be more vulnerable to the syndrome, but both were based on small, pre-publication studies and neither had enough new information to attract major news attention.
 
Colleen27 said:
Not that I've seen. It seems to be more a matter of now that it is recognized, doctors are starting to identify it in more places. But it seems to be a few cases here and a handful there, no real clusters other than the original (NYC/NJ still account for most U.S. cases) and no big surge. I saw one article that suggests the syndrome is similar to the cytokine storm that killed younger SARS patients during that outbreak years ago and another that suggests black children may be more vulnerable to the syndrome, but both were based on small, pre-publication studies and neither had enough new information to attract major news attention.
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Thanks for that information. I have not seen a single data set here in Canada that has broken cases down by race or ethnicity. Did black children make up a disproportionate number of the cases diagnosed in people under 18 in the US?

A little OT but I am quite familiar with cytokine storm - a close family member has managed to survive it twice; brought on by various treatments for chronic lymes disease.
 
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