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snappy · Sep 5, 2018

Yea parking fees irritate me too although we don’t pay them. Only stay DVC now, last nondvc was maybe 7 or 8 years ago. I have gone with swan dolphin if I want onsite but don’t have enough points. Have a car so the Bonnet creek properties work nicely. Prefer those pools anyways.

nkereina · Sep 5, 2018

Madame said:
Yes. Of course. That’s the answer. I’ll just stay here in Canada where we are *free* of unwanted intrusions into the spaces we have paid to occupy.

You're paying to occupy a space that is on someone else's property. Said property has rules and rights - one of which is entering at their own discretion. Can this whole thing be handled with more tact and in ways that is less disruptive to guests? Sure. But Disney isn't outside of their rights to be able to do this.

snappy · Sep 5, 2018

nkereina said:
You're paying to occupy a space that is on someone else's property. Said property has rules and rights - one of which is entering at their own discretion. Can this whole thing be handled with more tact and in ways that is less disruptive to guests? Sure. But Disney isn't outside of their rights to be able to do this.

You are right! That’s why it’s lovely to have many other and arguably better options offsite without tactless disruptions! With Uber/Lyft readily available, all is good! Thanks!

nkereina · Sep 5, 2018

snappy said:
You are right! That’s why it’s lovely to have many other and arguably better options offsite without tactless disruptions! With Uber/Lyft readily available, all is good! Thanks!

You're more than welcome - you do you! LOL! I could not care less where people stay. The poster I quoted seemed to me that they were confusing the fact that they paid for the room with the right to full privacy at all times. I was just simply pointing out that Disney is well within their right (as are all hotels) to enter the room at any time, regardless of the fact that we pay for the room.

Madame · Sep 5, 2018

kaytieeldr said:
Other places don't have multiple unofficial websites devoted to them. As a PP posted, her actual experience is that Omni (for one) does daily checks of every. single. room. None of the first ten results in my search for "omni hotels unofficial website" were that. YMMV.

Still, Resorts is a separate revenue-producung entity from Parks and other divisions.

Maybe they do. Has anybody asked each individual room inspector what their actual job is?

Neither employment category is under the Resorts umbrella.

Female here. Victim of sexual aggression. Still and always trust men.

Congratulations?

& honestly, there is a huge difference between trusting men and have a strange man or woman for that matter randomly intrude on you. If you can’t at least see how that could be traumatizing for some, then I really don’t know what to say. Maybe some empathy?

Madame · Sep 5, 2018

nkereina said:
You're paying to occupy a space that is on someone else's property. Said property has rules and rights - one of which is entering at their own discretion. Can this whole thing be handled with more tact and in ways that is less disruptive to guests? Sure. But Disney isn't outside of their rights to be able to do this.

Yep I get that & yet no hotel here is peeping on their clientele.

Madame · Sep 5, 2018

nkereina said:
You're more than welcome - you do you! LOL! I could not care less where people stay. The poster I quoted seemed to me that they were confusing the fact that they paid for the room with the right to full privacy at all times. I was just simply pointing out that Disney is well within their right (as are all hotels) to enter the room at any time, regardless of the fact that we pay for the room.

& as a DVC owner it’s a little more than “paying for the room.”

DVC “Welcome home! We’re all family here, so don’t mind us entering your room at will.”

nkereina · Sep 5, 2018

Madame said:
Yep I get that & yet no hotel here is peeping on their clientele.

Where is here? Its been said that Omni brands do security checks, and I witnessed new signage at a locally owned casino resort where I live alluding to potential security checks. So it does happen elsewhere, but maybe in a less intrusive way as mentioned before. The checks might not be common at this point, but I think its the wave of the future.

Madame said:
& as a DVC owner it’s a little more than “paying for the room.”

You are right. But you are made aware of the rights of Disney at time of purchase, just like someone staying on the hotel side.

Madame · Sep 5, 2018

nkereina said:
Where is here? Its been said that Omni brands do security checks, and I witnessed new signage at a locally owned casino resort where I live alluding to potential security checks. So it does happen elsewhere, but maybe in a less intrusive way as mentioned before. The checks might not be common at this point, but I think its the wave of the future.

You are right. But you are made aware of the rights of Disney at time of purchase, just like someone staying on the hotel side.

I’m Canadian, as I already said. Travelled throughout Europe this summer, no intrusions. DLP scans your luggage & leaves you alone.

Sure. I’m sure it’s in line with timeshare industry standards...

nkereina · Sep 5, 2018

Madame said:
I’m Canadian, as I already said. Travelled throughout Europe this summer, no intrusions. DLP scans your luggage & leaves you alone.

Sure. I’m sure it’s in line with timeshare industry standards...

As you may know, the United States had a horrific attack in a hotel in Las Vegas less than a year ago. The logistics of this attack are blamed largely on failed security protocols of the hotel. What we are seeing is the result/fallout of those failed controls and hotels trying to enact something to prevent a recurrence. I'm not surprised to hear other countries haven't jumped on board yet. Its all still new.

And if someone spends in excess of $10K on a timeshare and doesn't do their due diligence on the company's policies, that's on them. Regardless of what is industry standard.

Madame · Sep 5, 2018

nkereina said:
As you may know, the United States had a horrific attack in a hotel in Las Vegas less than a year ago. The logistics of this attack are blamed largely on failed security protocols of the hotel. What we are seeing is the result/fallout of those failed controls and hotels trying to enact something to prevent a recurrence. I'm not surprised to hear other countries haven't jumped on board yet. Its all still new.

And if someone spends in excess of $10K on a timeshare and doesn't do their due diligence on the company's policies, that's on them. Regardless of what is industry standard.

They are not looking well enough to find an arsenal just CYA. & please, have you not noticed the terror attacks in Europe for the last several years?

Meh. Lots of DVC owners aren’t happy b/c while it was always their right to enter the room at will it was never active policy.

nkereina · Sep 5, 2018

Madame said:
They are not looking well enough to find an arsenal just CYA. & please, have you not noticed the terror attacks in Europe for the last several years?

The amount of guns the guy in Vegas had on hand would have been caught if these security checks were in place. I do agree that the checks are mostly "security theater" as has been discussed, and a true criminal looking to do harm will still find a way, but its at a minimum a deterrent or way to catch what could be a mass attack like what happened in Vegas. I am hopeful we will see these checks evolve with better processes and policies rolled out to be more effective and less disruptive to guests. Like I said before, its all still new and has not been executed well.

As for your Europe point, I don't recall any of these occurring at a major tourist resort. This is why the Vegas attack is most relevant. Hotels won't be compelled to change procedures because of an attack occurring at a concert venue.

Madame said:
Meh. Lots of DVC owners aren’t happy b/c while it was always their right to enter the room at will it was never active policy.

I get that. But if someone is so vehemently opposed to a policy/right a company has, and the company reserves the right to enact this policy at any time, then perhaps entering into a 50 year five figure contract with the company isn't the best idea.

Honestly, I'm just playing devil's advocate. I don't necessarily like the checks either and I'm sure I'd be annoyed if they bugged me while in the room. But I understand why they are in place and make the choice to tolerate it when I book there. If someone wants to stay elsewhere, that's fine too. It is what it is.

FSU Girl · Sep 5, 2018

nkereina said:
As you may know, the United States had a horrific attack in a hotel in Las Vegas less than a year ago. The logistics of this attack are blamed largely on failed security protocols of the hotel. What we are seeing is the result/fallout of those failed controls and hotels trying to enact something to prevent a recurrence. I'm not surprised to hear other countries haven't jumped on board yet. Its all still new.

He actually had housekeeping up until his attack so them sending people to check the room probably won't do much. When I stayed in Vegas in February the hotel had a do not disturb sign and we spent a long time in the room one day and never had any issue with someone saying they needed to check the room.

nkereina · Sep 5, 2018

FSU Girl said:
He actually had housekeeping up until his attack so them sending people to check the room probably won't do much. When I stayed in Vegas in February the hotel had a do not disturb sign and we spent a long time in the room one day and never had any issue with someone saying they needed to check the room.

Obviously there is no 100% fool-proof way to prevent an attack. Daily checks are about the best they can do, short of putting cameras in the room which would not be legal (I'm guessing). What would you suggest?

And I don't think anyone has said anything about Vegas hotels enacting room check policies. As has been discussed, its new and not seen that frequently. I do think Disney is taking an overly conservative approach with it, and its clear they are early adopters of the room check policy. It will either become more common as other hotels follow suit, or Disney will cave to the push-back and change it or eliminate it all together.

bluejasmine · Sep 5, 2018

We arrive this Fri, I plan on using the thing you put across the top of your door bc we take daily breaks plus its an adult only romantic anniversary trip, maybe we wanted some alone time??? We are staying DVC and on check in Im going to ask for the checks to be done if at all possible before 11 am, except for check out day bc we plan on sleeping in which I will make a call down to housekeeping the night before to let them know to pls not send anyone until 11am. Hope that works if not someone may get a view they didn't want..lol

FSU Girl · Sep 5, 2018

nkereina said:
Obviously there is no 100% fool-proof way to prevent an attack. Daily checks are about the best they can do, short of putting cameras in the room which would not be legal (I'm guessing). What would you suggest?

And I don't think anyone has said anything about Vegas hotels enacting room check policies. As has been discussed, its new and not seen that frequently. I do think Disney is taking an overly conservative approach with it, and its clear they are early adopters of the room check policy. It will either become more common as other hotels follow suit, or Disney will cave to the push-back and change it or eliminate it all together.

You had mentioned previously about the attack in Vegas and how these securities checks would have caught him with the amount of guns. I'm just pointing out that he had daily housekeeping and even had help with his bags to his room that held the guns so these daily checks would not have done anything to prevent his attack.

There are other hotels who are checking rooms, but are far less intrusive than Disney. Universal has a sign at check in about going to the room once a day, but we have never been bothered. I mentioned earlier in this thread what I think Disney should do. The magic bands have a lot of information on them and Disney is aware when we leave a room. They could easily do these checks when someone is out of the room and not disturb them while napping or sleeping in. It would be even more effective because they could actually look for things instead of poking their head in the door.

nkereina · Sep 5, 2018

FSU Girl said:
You had mentioned previously about the attack in Vegas and how these securities checks would have caught him with the amount of guns. I'm just pointing out that he had daily housekeeping and even had help with his bags to his room that held the guns so these daily checks would not have done anything to prevent his attack.

To be fair, neither of us can say if the checks would have definitively caught him or not. If the checks were in place, who's to say that if one occurred that afternoon he wouldn't have been caught? Naturally, no one there expected that to happen but now everyone has learned from it and is on high alert. And in addition, its been mentioned Disney might be looking for evidence of trafficking as well.

FSU Girl said:
There are other hotels who are checking rooms, but are far less intrusive than Disney. Universal has a sign at check in about going to the room once a day, but we have never been bothered. I mentioned earlier in this thread what I think Disney should do. The magic bands have a lot of information on them and Disney is aware when we leave a room. They could easily do these checks when someone is out of the room and not disturb them while napping or sleeping in. It would be even more effective because they could actually look for things instead of poking their head in the door.

I have mentioned a few times that I agree Disney has executed this poorly and other hotels that do it are doing it better. I was only disagreeing with people who feel Disney are acting outside of their rights or violating a right of the guest.

Your idea with the Magic Bands is a good, logical one. But we all know what a disaster Disney's IT department is and how short-staffed resort operations can be. To change to this process would cost $$$, which I am sure Disney is trying to avoid while still covering their butts. That's why we're left with a process that is not well planned or executed.

kaytieeldr · Sep 5, 2018

Madame said:
Congratulations?

So GreatLakes' opinion/statement doesn't count because he's male, mine doesn't count because :confused3

what? I, as a woman in the category cited, do not fear every. single. male. anywhere?

Madame said:
Yep I get that & yet no hotel here is peeping on their clientele.

Understood that there are no Disney hotels where you live https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-hotels-revise-room-security-measures/ and, apparently Caesar's Entertainment properties https://www.reviewjournal.com/busin...s-to-check-all-occupied-rooms-on-daily-basis/. Apparently your area also lacks the aforementioned Omni hotels? Are there no Hilton-owned properties https://www.meetingstoday.com/newse.../-do-not-disturb-policy-updates-spark-debate? Not just actual Hiltons, but also no Embassy Suites, Doubletree, Hilton Gardens, Walcott Astoria, Hampton Inn...

Madame said:
ure. I’m sure it’s in line with timeshare industry standards

First stated is "no hotel here is", now timeshares. Not identical entities, therefore not necessarily identical practices. Never having stayed at one, I wouldn't know what Hilton Grand Vacations does. I'd expect it to be the same as the rest of the company.

Madame said:
They are not looking well enough to find an arsenal just CYA. & please, have you not noticed the terror attacks in Europe for the last several years?

That is a decision made or not by the individual companies. Is there any evidence that international Hiltons don't check room? Or that they do?

Madame · Sep 5, 2018

kaytieeldr said:
So GreatLakes' opinion/statement doesn't count because he's male, mine doesn't count because what? I, as a woman in the category cited, do not fear every. single. male. anywhere?

Understood that there are no Disney hotels where you live https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-hotels-revise-room-security-measures/ and, apparently Caesar's Entertainment properties https://www.reviewjournal.com/busin...s-to-check-all-occupied-rooms-on-daily-basis/. Apparently your area also lacks the aforementioned Omni hotels? Are there no Hilton-owned properties https://www.meetingstoday.com/newse.../-do-not-disturb-policy-updates-spark-debate? Not just actual Hiltons, but also no Embassy Suites, Doubletree, Hilton Gardens, Walcott Astoria, Hampton Inn...
First stated is "no hotel here is", now timeshares. Not identical entities, therefore not necessarily identical practices. Never having stayed at one, I wouldn't know what Hilton Grand Vacations does. I'd expect it to be the same as the rest of the company.

That is a decision made or not by the individual companies. Is there any evidence that international Hiltons don't check room? Or that they do?

I honestly can barely follow your logic. He was implying that those reacting negatively were hysterical types. Your statement seemed to imply that all assault victims with enough gumption should get over themselves (that’s how you’re coming off). I was merely pointing out that some men & women might be justifiably uncomfortable with this policy. You two were the ones negating the potential point of view / experience of others.

I have stayed in several chain hotels here in the last year as well as my DH for work & this hasn’t been the policy. Those are all American sources. I really don’t get your argument here. I. AM. CANADIAN (little play on a beer commercial there).

I’ll be sure to ask around about the policy of other timeshares...

danikoski · Sep 5, 2018

If Hilton's are doing this, they're doing it far less obtrusively than Disney. I stay at Hilton properties for a week or more about 6-10 times a year. And I usually only get housekeeping in the middle of the week. This is in various cities across the US. And I haven't had anyone knock and then a few seconds later walk in in the name of security. I've had them call to see if I needed anything, but beyond that, no obtrusiveness.

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