Surrogacy for convenience

Yeah I already saw your other comment so I knew exactly how you feel on this topic. What I was speaking to was not that every single person out there is about my body my choice...clearly. But rather you cannot be of that opinion and yet judge like this. We cannot have protests and rallies and legislation and yet judge like this. If you accept the my body my choice you end up accepting what goes with it. Clearly you do not have the my body my choice affinity..but you were not the audience I was speaking to anyhow.
I get it, but I am clarifying that there are many ppl with that affinity who don’t believe the government should make that decision b/c is a private matter. Doesn’t mean they don’t judge certain circumstances related to it if that makes sense. Personally, I think she should legally be allowed to use a surrogate or whatever floats her boat. But, I do think it’s speaks to her personality/priorities which may end up making motherhood harder for her.
 
There is also a problem with many ppl just seeking attention. Some things can & should remain private. It’s not that we can’t talk about things, but everything is not newsworthy. Idk most women don’t enjoy pregnancy, at least,
not every stage, but it’s a sacrifice you make. And truly asking, is having miscarriages a thing women feel like that can’t talk about? My sister & niece both had a terrible time with infertility. The only reason they didn’t want to talk about them at first was b/c it was too emotionally painful for them but not b/c it was taboo.
I'm discussing like I would everyday conversation but I think it's more telling that you would gravitate towards attention seeking. If you can't feel comfortable discussing with your family or your friends about your surrogacy journey or the reasons behind it because they would find it cringy, because you're not "supposed to" talk about it that's the problem.

As far as miscarriages yes absolutely. I had no idea my mom had a miscarriage before my sister until I was in my 20s. My mother-in-law had a miscarriage and her kids found out for the first time a few years ago..the same time I did. My best friend had a miscarriage and was scared to death to tell anyone, not even her mom. She cried and cried to me but didn't feel like she could discuss her feelings with anyone. For my mom and my mother-in-law it was a "we just didn't talk about it, nobody talked about this stuff" thing. For my best friend of course she was emotionally pained but it was actually embarrassment and feeling like she was a failure (even though it was her first pregnancy) and that her body wasn't doing what she wanted it to, wondering did she do something wrong how could she prevent this for the future. And because her mom was also from my mom and mother-in-law's era she never felt like she could talk to her about it or even her sister to be honest who was only a few years older. Quite frankly if this was me when I was in early 20s I'm not sure back then I would have felt like I could openly discuss it.

Infertility and miscarriages are a topic we've come a long way with but we're still working on it. That's exactly though of the same vein of surrogacy. We've a long way to come on being able to openly talk about it. There's still a stigma attached to infertility and miscarriages though lesser than it used to be. Surrogacy is still highly stigmatized most especially when it's not a medical decision.
 
I have a friend in California that did this will all four of her kids. She wanted a large family but didn’t want to be pregnant. Biologically they are hers - she just didn’t have to carry them - with all the potential horrors that entails.
 
I don't understand why she felt the need to make an excuse, it is no one's business.
Because of this. Because of this whole conversation. No matter what women choose, people feel like they are entitled to pick it apart, criticism and condemn.

Had your kids at 20? "Oh. Are you sure you're financially secure?"
Had your kids at 35? "Goodness, are you even going to be around for your grandkids?"
Had one child? "Don't you think that's selfish to not give your child a companion?"
Had five children? "Can you provide for them and/or it's environmentally irresponsible to have so many children"
Heaven forbid you are a young, childless woman. You never hear the end of it.
Or heaven forbid you want your tubes tied while you're still in your child rearing years.

You may ask WHY she needed an excuse - because we ALWAYS do. Everyone thinks they're entitled to tell a woman exactly when, how and why they should have children.

I stay out of other people's uteruses. As everyone should.
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Because of this. Because of this whole conversation. No matter what women choose, people feel like they are entitled to pick it apart, criticism and condemn.

Had your kids at 20? "Oh. Are you sure you're financially secure?"
Had your kids at 35? "Goodness, are you even going to be around for your grandkids?"
Had one child? "Don't you think that's selfish to not give your child a companion?"
Had five children? "Can you provide for them and/or it's environmentally irresponsible to have so many children"
Heaven forbid you are a young, childless woman. You never hear the end of it.
Or heaven forbid you want your tubes tied while you're still in your child rearing years.

You may ask WHY she needed an excuse - because we ALWAYS do. Everyone thinks they're entitled to tell a woman exactly when, how and why they should have children.


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Even when it might help her a bit to get attention for her career, when it comes to having or not having kids, women have to explain their choices on this topic much more than men have to do.
 
:confused: So is that a YES, surrogates are paid in the US? Here they legally cannot be, only reimbursed for verifiable expenses.
https://surrogacy.ca/intended-parents/expenses-reimbursement.html#:~:text=A surrogate mother (and her,, pregnancy and post partum).
It's a bit unclear in the Netherlands if you can be paid or not. One thing that is definitely not allowed to have a commercial business in it. Agencies you pay to find a surrogate etc. are not allowed. Most medical costs are covered through healthcare, so that takes care of that.

What we did have last year a gay couple who got a child through surrogacy with IVF in the US. This cost $167,000. About 1/4 of this amount is tax deductible. But at the moment the rule is, IVF only for couples who have a medical indication, like infertility. This couple wasn't sick, infertile, invalid and therefore not eligible. However, the judge ruled when it came to court, it's discrimination as a gay couple cannot conceive naturally. Doesn't make a difference for the couple, the law has to be changed first.

Interesting fact: in the Netherlands the surrogate is the legal mother of the child (if the surrogate is married, the husband is automatically the legal father). When using a surrogate you have to go through some legal paperwork to basically adopt your own child.
 
Yes, they’re paid (unless you have a willing friend or family member). $90,000 to $130,000 on average according to my first Google hit.
There's got to be an easier way to make a living. :scared: And under the Canadian law that requires surrogacy to be altruistic, I can't think of a person in the world (past, present or future) for whom I'd be willing to do it.
 
Because of this. Because of this whole conversation. No matter what women choose, people feel like they are entitled to pick it apart, criticism and condemn.

Had your kids at 20? "Oh. Are you sure you're financially secure?"
Had your kids at 35? "Goodness, are you even going to be around for your grandkids?"
Had one child? "Don't you think that's selfish to not give your child a companion?"
Had five children? "Can you provide for them and/or it's environmentally irresponsible to have so many children"
Heaven forbid you are a young, childless woman. You never hear the end of it.
Or heaven forbid you want your tubes tied while you're still in your child rearing years.

You may ask WHY she needed an excuse - because we ALWAYS do. Everyone thinks they're entitled to tell a woman exactly when, how and why they should have children.


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All of this. In 2022 a womans worth in society is still measured by her uterus and what she does with it.

Why should Jamie Chung not be open about her reasons for choosing this path? Why should she hide her true feelings, because its not the done thing to say something like this?

Every person who breaks a society taboo and speaks openly about something that society wants to hide, helps someone else in the same position.

Also @MamaBelle4 you forgot to add in all the women in their 20's, 30's and 40's who have health issues, know they don't want to get pregnant and want their uterus removed but are refused surgery because they might change their mind. So many women suffer unnecessarily due to society's expectations that they have to get pregnant.
 
I really dont care, but since I dont want to clean my house, I am giving myself I few seconds to make some thoughts.. My spontaneious reaction is that a healthy woman ( assuming no fertitily issues) who is not willing to committ her body and soul to carrying HER child smells to me of laziness and entitlement.


There have been many actors who have had carried their own kids and have thriving careers.. I have never heard of this actress so I would think career success hangs more on other things vs her not ruining her own body. As somebody who was pregmant 2x. It's a bit over the top to say it affects your body in such a way your body or career can't bounce back.. Mine didnt, but wine and chocolate at night is to blame for my fat butt, not me carrying my kids. And my career took a nose dive, but not because of the few months of full pregnancy and birth but because I choose to go part time while the kids were little and in grade school.

Did she also hire wet nurses and nannies for the first years to take over the night shift? I mean lack of beauty rest will also ruin a career.

I feel for those who want kids and have struggles besides vanity.
 
My spontaneious reaction is that a healthy woman ( assuming no fertitily issues) who is not willing to committ her body and soul to carrying HER child smells to me of laziness and entitlement.
wow, seriously, so someone who wants to be a mother but does not want to get pregnant is lazy and and entitled for choosing another way?

So is it the fact that she choose surrogacy or the fact that her reason for choosing surrogacy not the social norm that has rattled your cage?

So exactly my point, that a womans worth to society is based on whether or not her uterus is used.
 

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