The VGF 2 pricing thread

[Sandisw]

One thing I'm not seeing discussed as much is the annual dues.

Any chance VGF goes from being one of the best deals on annual dues to more like Riviera?

I don’t think so because dues pay for the operation of the resort. It may increase some because now the balance between hotel side and DVC side of shared expenses changes.

However, to operate that complex shouldn’t be too different overall.

 

[DVCsloth]

Maybe the new VGF2 studios will come with a Mickey shaped bucket and hose for the ”kitchen,” which can attach to the bathroom sink!
Actually, I don’t think Disney, a leader in customer surveys, questionnaires, and no doubt focus groups, would proceed with this renovation unless they were absolutely convinced the product would sell. That’s why I think the new studios have got to have some version of a kitchen sink.

I have a feeling that DVC is going to make these really nice!

 

[Theta]

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[zavandor]

One thing I'm not seeing discussed as much is the annual dues.

Any chance VGF goes from being one of the best deals on annual dues to more like Riviera?

It's very difficult to predict.
The new building will only be studios. In the old building there are no dedicated studios. 3x studios cost more points to book than a 2BR. So the overall number of points will be slightly higher at the new building, which should bring costs down.
However, the main cost in MF is mousekeeping. Does it take more or less time to clean 3 studios than a 2BR?
3 studios have 3 double beds, 3 sofa beds, 3 pull down beds, 3 bathrooms and 3 kitchen sinks.
One 2BR has 2 or 3 beds (dedicated vs lockoff), 2 or 1 sofa bed, one pull down bed, one full kitchen, 2 bathrooms.
If I have to guess, it takes longer to clean 3 studios, which should bring MF up.
But we don't know if the points will be the same for the studios, so this will likely have the greatest impact. If they cost more points, MF may likely come down and vice versa.

I think overall the impact on MF will be negligible, not enough to bring then in line to the more costly resorts.

 

[Chia1974]

Do they have to show what the new studio looks like/floor plan before they sell?

 

[Sandisw]

Do they have to show what the new studio looks like/floor plan before they sell?

Have to? Not sure but they have never not had that information available. And, I don't believe they have even declared any inventory into the association yet so until that happens, they can not sell.

That is why the rumored date of 8/5 doesn't seem possible. Maybe on 8/5 we will get some new news about the build!

 

[CarolMN]

Do they have to show what the new studio looks like/floor plan before they sell?

A reasonable person would not buy without AT LEAST that!

 

[zavandor]

A reasonable person would not buy without AT LEAST that!

Since when DVC owners are reasonable people?

 

[RamblinWreck]

Do they have to show what the new studio looks like/floor plan before they sell?

I would think they would at least show a proposed design. It would be pretty silly not to.

 

[CarolMN]

Since when DVC owners are reasonable people?

Says one of those offering financial analyses & comments re the purchase (which I always read & appreciate).

 

[RamblinWreck]

How long has Aulani been selling for now?

And Riviera is supposed to be the Epcot/HS equivalent of the Grand Floridian.

And they've been listing these points at the exact same price. I think Disney sees value in not upcharging for certain resorts in terms of $ per point, but rather through the points required to stay at different resorts.


If Disney is going to sell Riviera at the same price point as Aulani, which expires 8 years before Riviera does, what's the logic going to be on selling VGF significantly higher, or higher by even $1 (not counting incentives)?



I just don't see it. What I can see is a bunch of made up new room categories at the VGF with higher point charts than the current DVC building that allow them to sell even more points though. When you keep the price per point lower, it's easier to sell to the people who can't really afford VGF. You can still show them the point charts for Animal Kingdom and say "look how long you can stay in an Animal Kingdom Value Villa!"

 

[Sandisw]

How long has Aulani been selling for now?

And Riviera is supposed to be the Epcot/HS equivalent of the Grand Floridian.

And they've been listing these points at the exact same price. I think Disney sees value in not upcharging for certain resorts in terms of $ per point, but rather through the points required to stay at different resorts.


If Disney is going to sell Riviera at the same price point as Aulani, which expires 8 years before Riviera does, what's the logic going to be on selling VGF significantly higher, or higher by even $1 (not counting incentives)?



I just don't see it. What I can see is a bunch of made up new room categories at the VGF with higher point charts than the current DVC building that allow them to sell even more points though. When you keep the price per point lower, it's easier to sell to the people who can't really afford VGF. You can still show them the point charts for Animal Kingdom and say "look how long you can stay in an Animal Kingdom Value Villa!"

And the raise in minimum purchase…as I have said…allows for this.

 

[Paul Stupin]

How long has Aulani been selling for now?

And Riviera is supposed to be the Epcot/HS equivalent of the Grand Floridian.

And they've been listing these points at the exact same price. I think Disney sees value in not upcharging for certain resorts in terms of $ per point, but rather through the points required to stay at different resorts.


If Disney is going to sell Riviera at the same price point as Aulani, which expires 8 years before Riviera does, what's the logic going to be on selling VGF significantly higher, or higher by even $1 (not counting incentives)?



I just don't see it. What I can see is a bunch of made up new room categories at the VGF with higher point charts than the current DVC building that allow them to sell even more points though. When you keep the price per point lower, it's easier to sell to the people who can't really afford VGF. You can still show them the point charts for Animal Kingdom and say "look how long you can stay in an Animal Kingdom Value Villa!"

And the raise in minimum purchase…as I have said…allows for this.

Exactly!

 

[peabody58]

If the points per night for the new wanna-be deluxe studio is lower, then DW and I wouldn't mind spending some of our BLT points there. We really enjoyed 3 nights at GFV in a Std 1 BR a few years back, waving to the Monorail while drinking our morning coffee on the balcony. But we are not buying anymore points, regardless of the price.

 

[Paul Stupin]

If the points per night for the new wanna-be deluxe studio is lower, then DW and I wouldn't mind spending some of our BLT points there. We really enjoyed 3 nights at GFV in a Std 1 BR a few years back, waving to the Monorail while drinking our morning coffee on the balcony. But we are not buying anymore points, regardless of the price.

But isn’t 7 month availability somewhat problematic?

 

[peabody58]

But isn’t 7 month availability somewhat problematic?

 

[peabody58]

There have been many times when we could have booked GFV at 7 months, but the point miser in me went elsewhere.

 

[RamblinWreck]

There have been many times when we could have booked GFV at 7 months, but the point miser in me went elsewhere.

I think you'd really only have trouble with Standard view studios booking at 7 months. Unless you're traveling during the most competitive windows for DVC rooms.

 

[Stargazer65]

There have been many times when we could have booked GFV at 7 months, but the point miser in me went elsewhere.

Me too! So many times we've said, "Family, get ready because............................... next Disney trip we're staying at......THE GRAND FLORIDIAN!!!"

...and then when it comes time to book: "Oh look, SSR will only use this many points a day..."

 

[RoseGold]

Here we are six months later, and VGF1 resale is just getting more expensive. Resale listings holding in the 190s-200s, and so much VGF1 just sitting there!