Are park reservations even an issue any more?

Kingdome8

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Besides like October 1 or Christmas, unless I’m missing something it seems like all parks are available for all 3 categories. Why are annual pass holders upset right now about 3 days? Seems they can go anytime.

Ive been looking at them as I booked my first dvc trip for June 2022 and seems like no hurry to make park reservations. Still deciding on annual pass or just a 7 day ticket as always.
 
It is odd to have 3 and not 4 at a time since WDW consists of 4 theme parks not 3… Also if you have friends or relatives planning to visit and they expect the local AP to enjoy their visits… one must use one of the 3 allowable days to reserve ParkPass…just in case that location becomes N/A…It becomes a Decision: Reserve or take the chance…. The site does not let us know : Warning Almost Sold Out until it happens…
And thus a local AP that has been to so manyDL and WDW Anniversaries…was Sold Out for MK 50th Anniversary… personally I am shocked that I won’t be there .Crowds do not bother me. It is part of the fun.
 
Besides like October 1 or Christmas, unless I’m missing something it seems like all parks are available for all 3 categories. Why are annual pass holders upset right now about 3 days? Seems they can go anytime.

Ive been looking at them as I booked my first dvc trip for June 2022 and seems like no hurry to make park reservations. Still deciding on annual pass or just a 7 day ticket as always.
We’re not “upset” about 3 days of park pass reservations when we stay offsite, but since we can’t book the 4th day until the last park closes on the 1st day that we have a pass, it’s possible (and has happened) that we’ll be blocked out for the rest of our week-long stay. Not all Passholders are local and can go anytime!
 
I'm hoping it won't work like FP did for AP. That was also limited to 3 days offsite. And even though you could book length of stay onsite, it counted as using your 3 days. So if you had an offsite before onsite, you couldn't book for both
 
I'm hoping it won't work like FP did for AP. That was also limited to 3 days offsite. And even though you could book length of stay onsite, it counted as using your 3 days. So if you had an offsite before onsite, you couldn't book for both
Right now it’s 3 floating off site days PLUS length of stay for any on site visits so at present have 9 park passes in my plans (10 if you count the day we reserved ratatouille preview)
 
Besides like October 1 or Christmas, unless I’m missing something it seems like all parks are available for all 3 categories. Why are annual pass holders upset right now about 3 days? Seems they can go anytime.
You would be surprised how many of us annual passholders are not local. Would you really be happy booking a weeklong trip with airfare, hotel, etc, but only getting 3 days of park reservations? Many of my trips I stay offsite.
 
You would be surprised how many of us annual passholders are not local. Would you really be happy booking a weeklong trip with airfare, hotel, etc, but only getting 3 days of park reservations? Many of my trips I stay offsite.

i get that. But that’s one of the perks of staying on property. Should be rewarded and should get the 60 day fast pass window.

but my original point was that. It seems easy to get a reservation now a days.
 
i get that. But that’s one of the perks of staying on property. Should be rewarded and should get the 60 day fast pass window.

but my original point was that. It seems easy to get a reservation now a days.
Park reservations for staying on property are a new perk since COVID. It may be harder to get short notice ones during certain times of year. I had adjusted to the FP situation. AP holders should also be rewarded like those staying on property. I let my Disney World AP expire in 2021 and will not be renewing. I did renew my Universal AP and will spend more time there. Much better value for me.
 
AP holders should also be rewarded like those staying on property.

Why?

Disney's goal is to make money. Filling resort rooms makes money. So, they reward that.

Off-property AP holders probably spend less money on average per day visited over the course of a year than any other group.

The park reservations vacancies would look vastly different if AP holders weren't limited to 3 days.

We are longtime (and current) AP holders, but I understand the business side of why they're giving this benefit to resort guests.

It's not like Universal rewards their AP holders any better than Disney does...they just don't have the demand to fill their parks like Disney does, so there's always availability there.
 
Why?

Disney's goal is to make money. Filling resort rooms makes money. So, they reward that.

Off-property AP holders probably spend less money on average per day visited over the course of a year than any other group.

The park reservations vacancies would look vastly different if AP holders weren't limited to 3 days.

We are longtime (and current) AP holders, but I understand the business side of why they're giving this benefit to resort guests.

It's not like Universal rewards their AP holders any better than Disney does...they just don't have the demand to fill their parks like Disney does, so there's always availability there.
Simply because we are more frequent guests. Not sure what Universal availability you are referring to, in addition to the great on site resort discounts, Universal gives me early park entry with my AP, regardless of where I am staying, and food discounts at all the parks QS and TS, plus many locations at City Walk and the resorts.
 
I'm talking about park entrance availability...you know, what you were complaining about with Disney not allowing AP's more days to book?

"Great onsite resort discounts"...Disney AP's get those too
"Early park entry"...for 2-3 rides that are more crowded during Early Entry than during the rest of the day. if they'd open the entire park, it would matter. As it is, I'd rather sleep in, then use our free Express Pass we get from staying onsite at Portofino, Hard Rock, or Royal Pacific for unlimited rides all day, every day.
"Food discounts"...you mean, the 10-20% discounts that varies by restaurant like Disney AP holders get?
You didn't mention the free parking at Universal...but, that's only for the two top tiers of AP, and only after you have to pay for parking the first time you visit every year. Only discounted parking for Power Passholders, and no parking discount at all for Seasonal Passholders.

We're longtime AP holders at Universal too, btw. There are things we like better about Disney, and there are things we like better about Universal (Freestyle cups and Express Pass for Deluxe resort guests ftw). Now, if Universal simply appeals more to someone, that's great, and I can see that. It's a completely different vibe. But, there's no real difference in how they treat their annual passholders, if you're being honest...other than Disney giving free parking to all levels of AP holders and free photo-pass, and Universal has a small AP lounge (without free drinks...boo) on the US side.

Being a frequent guest at Disney (or Universal, for that matter) doesn't mean as much as you think it does, if you're staying offsite...especially as an AP. Both would much rather have the captive audience staying onsite. It's all about dollars per day, per guest, per visit. Neither of them care nearly as much about you as they do the amount of money you spend...and onsite non-AP guests simply spend more money on average.
 
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I'm talking about park entrance availability...you know, what you were complaining about with Disney not allowing AP's more days to book?

"Great onsite resort discounts"...Disney AP's get those too
"Early park entry"...for 2-3 rides that are more crowded during Early Entry than during the rest of the day. if they'd open the entire park, it would matter. As it is, I'd rather sleep in, then use our free Express Pass we get from staying onsite at Portofino, Hard Rock, or Royal Pacific for unlimited rides all day, every day.
"Food discounts"...you mean, the 10-20% discounts that varies by restaurant like Disney AP holders get?
You didn't mention the free parking at Universal...but, that's only for the two top tiers of AP, and only after you have to pay for parking the first time you visit every year. Only discounted parking for Power Passholders, and no parking discount at all for Seasonal Passholders.

We're longtime AP holders at Universal too, btw. There are things we like better about Disney, and there are things we like better about Universal (Freestyle cups and Express Pass for Deluxe resort guests ftw). Now, if Universal simply appeals more to someone, that's great, and I can see that. It's a completely different vibe. But, there's no real difference in how they treat their annual passholders, if you're being honest...other than Disney giving free parking to all levels of AP holders and free photo-pass, and Universal has a small AP lounge (without free drinks...boo) on the US side.

Being a frequent guest at Disney (or Universal, for that matter) doesn't mean as much as you think it does, if you're staying offsite...especially as an AP. Both would much rather have the captive audience staying onsite. It's all about dollars per day, per guest, per visit. Neither of them care nearly as much about you as they do the amount of money you spend...and onsite non-AP guests simply spend more money on average.
Agree with this post. The primary advantage to having an AP is paying less for tickets than you would have buying tickets separately for multiple trips per year. We would have paid a lot less for our three trips this past year if disney had been selling APs, even if we couldn’t book any days past the 3-day restriction (but on all three trips, we would not have had a problem doing so, including one trip where resort guests were shut out but AP had availability).
 
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I have posted some of this before. We are out of state AP holders. We tend to do a week in the summer, where we stay at DVC. No issues when staying on-site when it comes to park reservations.

The rest of the time, we tend to do long weekend trips, where we stay off-site, and often at a hotel I have some points or free nights, or can get a good price.

As a WDW AP, you can reserve up to three days at a time.

We did a trip (I believe it was Labor Day weekend, where we planned to go to the parks for 4 days. We could only reserve 3. After the first day, there were no reservations available for any park on our fourth day. After the second day, still with nothing available, we decided to cut our vacation short. Canceled the last night at the hotel, and returned home after we spent our three days in the parks.

You cannot plan longer than a three day trip if you are staying off-site. That is frustrating as we have a few four and five day weekends where our kids are off from school that we cannot take full advantage of.

I keep hoping Disney will stop the reservation requirement, like basically every other amusement park company in the US has done. I believe Six Flags stopped in May, Cedar Fair stopped most parks in June, with a few lingering for a couple of weeks. Seaworld Parks and Entertainment (including Busch Gardens) stopped in July.

I do not see Disney changing the reservation requirement any time soon. As another poster mentioned, it is a business thing. As an AP holder, we go often. We tend to spend less at Disney. A perfect example was our trip in June. We stayed for a week. Mostly ate in our room. We did go to the biergarden one night, which was $400 for the six of us. Compare that to a few hundred dollars in groceries at Publix or going to a chain restaurant for less than half.

On later trips it does appear that one can came a reservation for one of the parks on any given day. And with Parkhopping, you can get to any other park after 2:00.

So, a marginal improvement, but still not the "spontaneous lifestyle" we were used to.

In the past, on a few occasions, we have been able to plan a quick weekend trip the Monday or Tuesday before.

My frustration now, I have three days planned for October. If somehow a September trip should come up (we often plan a last minute trip, and/or often meet up with family/friends that are going to WDW), I would need to cancel at least one of the days we have planned later.

The reservation systems has definitely changed how we "Do Disney".

Still, we have made it to the parks for 28 days since reopening. So, we find a way…
 
It is odd to have 3 and not 4 at a time since WDW consists of 4 theme parks not 3… Also if you have friends or relatives planning to visit and they expect the local AP to enjoy their visits… one must use one of the 3 allowable days to reserve ParkPass…just in case that location becomes N/A…It becomes a Decision: Reserve or take the chance…. The site does not let us know : Warning Almost Sold Out until it happens…
And thus a local AP that has been to so manyDL and WDW Anniversaries…was Sold Out for MK 50th Anniversary… personally I am shocked that I won’t be there .Crowds do not bother me. It is part of the fun.
Even when it was yellow or grey I was able to get res. The same day at Epcot and AK.
But I agree they should have made the number 4.
 
Besides like October 1 or Christmas, unless I’m missing something it seems like all parks are available for all 3 categories. Why are annual pass holders upset right now about 3 days? Seems they can go anytime.

Ive been looking at them as I booked my first dvc trip for June 2022 and seems like no hurry to make park reservations. Still deciding on annual pass or just a 7 day ticket as always.
I've been watching November and just saw most of Thanksgiving week fill up for MK and HS park reservations.
 
Park reservations may not be an issue to schedule if done in advance BUT they are an issue when you can't hop until 2:00 and/or make a last minute decision on which park you wish to go to on any given morning. We have forgone hoping and just do the one park a day decision and spend less time in the parks.
 
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Park reservations are a HUGE issue for this out of state Annual Pass Holder. I can't plan a trip for more than 3 days (I gave up on Di$ney hotels and stay off site for a much better price and a better experience overall).

I am doing a trip with friends, and some are staying on site, some off, so we can only plan together for the 3 days. THAT is the problem. We decided that we are going to spend more time together at Universal where we won't have all these bull pie problems. A bunch of us chickens even bought tickets to Halloween Horror nights. I never saw that one coming but there I go.

I have to say it's like Disney just keeps giving us reasons NOT to come. A Disney vacation used to be a quality experience. Current management is stratifying every aspect of the experience so that they can charge for more things that used to be included in the rate you would pay for tickets or hotel rooms. Magical express wasn't financially worth it to Disney so screw the guests and let them figure it out. Now that's customer service!

It's devastating to watch what they are doing to my beloved Disney parks experience. There is going to be a tipping point for sure, but how far away it will be is the question. People are starting to realize that today's Disney Parks and Resorts experience is not what it used to be. It's turning into a flat-out money grab with no remorse or intent to stop it.

I have neighbors that ask me about going to Disney and I flat out tell them not to right now. I tell them that not everything is open to absorb all the people that they are letting into the understaffed parks. I tell them about the lack of entertainment in the parks. I tell them about the exorbitant room rates, the shoddy or absent housekeeping. I tell them about all the convoluted conniptions they will have to do to arrange park reservations and the long lines and frequently malfunctioning rides. I tell them that dining is a MESS and that they must watch to make quick service dining orders far enough in advance because dining is so understaffed. I tell them that in the Florida high heat season the parks are not open during the cooler hours at night like they used to be. I tell them they are paying full price for a half asped experience.

Then I tell them to look at going to Universal where these problems evaporate.

I'm at the point now where I may not activate my banked Annual Pass and use a banked 7 day non expiring park hopper. This means that I won't bother with Disney when I came down in March and will just use my Universal AP. I used to go to WDW 4 times a year... Then they killed Star Wars Weekends, so I didn't have that reason to come. Then they killed the Osborne lights and I decided to alternate between Halloween and Christmas instead of coming to each one every year. Then the family trip evaporated because the rest of the family was tired of being ripped off and didn't want to go to Disney anymore.

Now Disney can't be bothered to put on MNSSHP or MVMCP.
WTH Disney!
Seriously... get your act together. Every other theme park is doing just fine. Yes, it costs money to make an effort, so Disney decides it's not worth it anymore. How shameful!

I really think that Galaxy's edge is representative of the new Disney ethos. There's no "there" there and all you have are upsells and a ride that is constantly malfunctioning and is impossible to get on. It could have been so much more. It SHOULD have been so much more, but why make the effort when there is no profit in it.

So yes, the Parks Reservation system is still a problem, but it's indicative of a tangle of problems that the parks and resorts are having under current management. The Disney that we used to know is dead. It's now simply a vehicle for every cash grab that can be imagined. Management simply does not care anymore.

It's devastating.

~NM
 
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Park reservations are a HUGE issue for this out of state Annual Pass Holder. I can't plan a trip for more than 3 days (I gave up on Di$ney hotels and stay off site for a much better price and a better experience overall).

I am doing a trip with friends, and some are staying on site, some off, so we can only plan together for the 3 days. THAT is the problem. We decided that we are going to spend more time together at Universal where we won't have all these bull pie problems. A bunch of us chickens even bought tickets to Halloween Horror nights. I never saw that one coming but there I go.

I have to say it's like Disney just keeps giving us reasons NOT to come. A Disney vacation used to be a quality experience. Current management is stratifying every aspect of the experience so that they can charge for more things that used to be included in the rate you would pay for tickets or hotel rooms. Magical express wasn't financially worth it to Disney so screw the guests and let them figure it out. Now that's customer service!

It's devastating to watch what they are doing to my beloved Disney parks experience. There is going to be a tipping point for sure, but how far away it will be is the question. People are starting to realize that today's Disney Parks and Resorts experience is not what it used to be. It's turning into a flat-out money grab with no remorse or intent to stop it.

I have neighbors that ask me about going to Disney and I flat out tell them not to right now. I tell them that not everything is open to absorb all the people that they are letting into the understaffed parks. I tell them about the lack of entertainment in the parks. I tell them about the exorbitant room rates, the shoddy or absent housekeeping. I tell them about all the convoluted conniptions they will have to do to arrange park reservations and the long lines and frequently malfunctioning rides. I tell them that dining is a MESS and that they must watch to make quick service dining orders far enough in advance because dining is so understaffed. I tell them that in the Florida high heat season the parks are not open during the cooler hours at night like they used to be. I tell them they are paying full price for a half asped experience.

Then I tell them to look at going to Universal where these problems evaporate.

I'm at the point now where I may not activate my banked Annual Pass and use a banked 7 day non expiring park hopper. This means that I won't bother with Disney when I came down in March and will just use my Universal AP. I used to go to WDW 4 times a year... Then they killed Star Wars Weekends, so I didn't have that reason to come. Then they killed the Osborne lights and I decided to alternate between Halloween and Christmas instead of coming to each one every year. Then the family trip evaporated because the rest of the family was tired of being ripped off and didn't want to go to Disney anymore.

Now Disney can't be bothered to put on MNSSHP or MVMCP.
WTH Disney!
Seriously... get your act together. Every other theme park is doing just fine. Yes, it costs money to make an effort, so Disney decides it's not worth it anymore. How shameful!

I really think that Galaxy's edge is representative of the new Disney ethos. There's no "there" there and all you have are upsells and ride that is constantly malfunctioning and is impossible to get on. It could have been so much more. It SHOULD have been so much more, but why make the effort when there is no profit in it.

So yes, the Parks Reservation system is still a problem, but it's indicative of a tangle of problems that the parks and resorts are having under current management. The Disney that we used to know is dead. It's now simply a vehicle for every cash grab that can be imagined. Management simply does not care anymore.

It's devastating.

~NM
Well said. We were wishing to purchase additional direct points when available at GF but have decided not to based on many of the points you make in your well written post. I was on property at GF and Riveria (4 days each) and we did NOT get in the queue for Rise of the Resistance. To go through the queue process on a phone twice a day is not good! We are adults and went on with our vacation but the poor little guy with his parents standing in front of Prime Time trying to get in the queue and misssing it AGAIN as we did was heartbreaking!! I felt so bad for that little guy. To book HS everyday to get RotR at 7:00 am is not worth it when you can't hop until 2:00. There is only so much to do at HS. And to watch You Tube videos to "learn" how to get on a ride. It is vacation! And to have to use a phone instead of reading a menu. It is vacation! Put the phone away and communicate with others that are standing beside you. You said many things I agree with so it is time for me to stop :worship: . No need for me to restate.
 
Maybe someone can answer this question for me here - can you make a park reservation same day? Like if we changed our minds could we cancel an existing reservation and make another one somewhere else, assuming that park has availability? We want to do Epcot maybe two days of our upcoming trip, but it seems like a waste making a park reservation there since they don't open until later and we'll have hoppers. I thought I could use those days to make a park reservation at HS and attempt to get a RoR boarding group, but I'd hate to be stuck having to physically go check into HS and then not be able to do Epcot until 2.
 

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