Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[DGsAtBLT]

I am going with 15-20% when they first open.

I agree.

50 is a long way off IMO. That’s near normal. It’s going to be a drastic difference at first, or they may not have even needed to go through the trouble of the reservation system.

 

[mmackeymouse]

I'm gonna go with 25% at first. Now what is 25%? I have no idea since I don't know total capacity of the 4 parks. Anyone know?

Also, anyone know what capacity of all the hotels/dvc is? If we knew these numbers I think it would ease everyone's minds.

I believe I read, somewhere, so don't quote me, that Disney has 30,000 rooms on property. I can't remember if that included Swalphin, Good Neighbor, Bonnet Creek, etc.

I think coming up with an average is tough, because I think you could assume generally 4 people per resort room. But, there may be many couples only stays. There are also a LOT of suites and villas that could be 8-9-10 people or more. 100-120K is the number I've been seeing.

 

[TwoMisfits]

I'm confused. Is the ADR system going away? I assumed it was just being reset and made available again.

Well, if they are serious about being uber-crazy-careful about exposures, getting rid of ADRs would make the most sense. That way, they'd know by the day if they had sick personnel and had to shut a restaurant for cleaning...and they wouldn't have to do anything for affected guests b/c there wouldn't be affected guests...

 

[chicagoshannon]

I believe I read, somewhere, so don't quote me, that Disney has 30,000 rooms on property. I can't remember if that included Swalphin, Good Neighbor, Bonnet Creek, etc.

I think coming up with an average is tough, because I think you could assume generally 4 people per resort room. But, there may be many couples only stays. There are also a LOT of suites and villas that could be 8-9-10 people or more. 100-120K is the number I've been seeing.

that number is helpful. Do you know capacity for the 4 parks?

 

[wdwoutsider]

Could Disney use more boats for mk resorts to mk? I doubt they can add more buses they already need extra capacity to existing resorts.

 

[Mit88]

50% will happen when restrictions are gone or almost gone. I’d guess 20-25% at max to start and add 5-10% at best every 2-3 weeks until they reach their end goal

 

[Pyotr]

I just wanted to add that I talked to 3 CM’s and they all sounded exhausted. I was more than pleasant with them and hope everyone else who calls is too. It’s not their fault.

 

[DGsAtBLT]

Could Disney use more boats for mk resorts to mk? I doubt they can add more buses they already need extra capacity to existing resorts.

What would really help is finishing the GF walkway and then all 3 monorail resorts and TTC would technically be walkable, even if Poly/TTC is a good hike from MK. Maybe they could free up more boats and drivers for FW/WL that way too.

Random but related thought, I wonder if the CR/FW/WL boat is paused for the time being. Is that the only mode of transportation on property that connects resorts only, no parks or DS?

 

[0FF TO NEVERLAND]

50% will happen when restrictions are gone or almost gone. I’d guess 20-25% at max to start and add 5-10% at best every 2-3 weeks until they reach their end goal

I think 20-25 opening and 50 percent two-three weeks later

If it was opening beginning of June I’d agree but being in July. I see 50 percent by first week of August.

 

[andyman8]

I believe I read, somewhere, so don't quote me, that Disney has 30,000 rooms on property. I can't remember if that included Swalphin, Good Neighbor, Bonnet Creek, etc.

I think coming up with an average is tough, because I think you could assume generally 4 people per resort room. But, there may be many couples only stays. There are also a LOT of suites and villas that could be 8-9-10 people or more. 100-120K is the number I've been seeing.

Disney owns and operates 33,000 hotel rooms on WDW property (this doesn’t include any non-Disney branded hotels) with an average occupancy (pre-pandemic at least; not sure if that changes) of 3 guests. So if every room on property was occupied, that would be just under 100k, but that almost never happens, because Disney generally has at least some rooms out of service for maintenance, renovations, and a few other reasons.

that number is helpful. Do you know capacity for the 4 parks?

But to put that number in perspective, the max capacity of Mk is generally just below 90k. I can’t remember the speculated capacity of the other parks, but I believe Epcot is around 100k, DHS is significantly smaller, and DAK is somewhere in between DHS and MK.

 

[Spaceguy55]

I think it will be based on how many they can handle and not a certain percentage...
my guess is about 10k a park to start, then adjust when they can...just a guess based on "Buckle Up"

 

[hereforthechurros]

Oh, they can!

But I am heavily leaning towards they’ll move people instead of cancelling their hotel reservations.

Same!

 

[SwirlTheCitrus]

that number is helpful. Do you know capacity for the 4 parks?

Mk is around 85k
Epcot is around 90k
Hs is around 75k
Ak is around 60k

So, add, times .25... 75k

If 100k+ for resorts is accurate... They're not lying that non-resort annual passholders are going to have a hard time getting in.

 

[gottalovepluto]

But why cancel my reservation at Disney Springs for T-Rex? It’s owned by Landry’s and I believe is considered a third party restaurant.

Because they’re wiping the whole system and putting a new one in place. 3rd Party restaurants can manage their own reservations.

Well, if they are serious about being uber-crazy-careful about exposures, getting rid of ADRs would make the most sense. That way, they'd know by the day if they had sick personnel and had to shut a restaurant for cleaning...and they wouldn't have to do anything for affected guests b/c there wouldn't be affected guests...

They aren’t getting rid of ADRs. They are resetting the ADR system to account for lower capacity and limited restaurants. They have actually said that so it’s not speculation.

 

[OnceUponATime15]

Twitter strikes again...

 

[Brianstl]

I think 20-25 opening and 50 percent two-three weeks later

If it was opening beginning of June I’d agree but being in July. I see 50 percent by first week of August.

If Disney had any plans to move that quickly they wouldn’t have blown everything up like they have. We will be lucky to be at 50% by January.

 

[mmackeymouse]

In regards to capacity, I believe max capacity is 100K. I believe average attendance is around 65,000.

Like Ryno said on a recent show, if you've been there on an average day, and thought it was pretty crowded....50% capacity isn't much better than that.

I do think/hope their percentages will be based on average capacity and not max capacity.

 

[OnceUponATime15]

If Disney had any plans to move that quickly they wouldn’t have blown everything up like they have. We will be lucky to be at 50% by January.

They are just reaching the government guideline of 24% in Shanghai now, after almost a month open.

 

[TwoMisfits]

Because they’re wiping the whole system and putting a new one in place. 3rd Party restaurants can manage their own reservations.


They aren’t getting rid of ADRs. They are resetting the ADR system to account for lower capacity and limited restaurants. They have actually said that so it’s not speculation.

But, have they said when you can make an ADR, other than it will be after you have a park reservation? As of now, since they haven't put an exact time on it, they keep the flexibility to set them whenever they want. I mean getting 1 at 3pm on the day is still an ADR for a 7pm dinner. Now, I think it will be more in advance, but there's no word on how advanced, especially for July...

 

[andyman8]

50% will happen when restrictions are gone or almost gone. I’d guess 20-25% at max to start and add 5-10% at best every 2-3 weeks until they reach their end goal

I think 20-25 opening and 50 percent two-three weeks later

If it was opening beginning of June I’d agree but being in July. I see 50 percent by first week of August.

But to put that in perspective, 50% of MK capacity is around 45k. The “average” day at MK is somewhere between 55k and 57k. The usual MNSSHP and MVMCP (not necessarily their peak nights) are capped around 15-20k, though this number changes a lot lol.

The goal for Disney is to follow the SDL model and increase capacity by 5,000 in increments to eventually reach about 33-35% capacity then re-evaluate. The exact increments (weekly, biweekly, etc...) will depend on how things go. This is why the park reservation window will be shorter than we’re accustomed to for WDW reservations and hours.