Anyone see this as interesting or is it just me

[sweetpeama]

On an impromptu chat with Pete and Ryno Pete said something about the SARS virus and expressed a small hope that Covid-19 would do the same thing. Listen between 49:38-49:54

The very next day I came across this news article.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-study-revealing-covid-19-mutations-weakening
I have been searching trying to find the article again after my computer got turned off by a cat hitting a bunch of keys because I was unreasonable in the cats mind and didn't get up to let the cat out at 5:30 AM. Cat walked on my keyboard in protest. I thought I had lost the article I wanted to share having forgotten that I had bookmarked it until I was going through and editing bookmarks just a while ago.

 

[JH50]

I think it's certainly possible, but as Pete said "who knows?", as the information changes by the day. First we were told masks weren't necessary, and now there's an article quoting the CDC as saying "Coronavirus mainly spreads through person-to-person contact and does not easily spread on contaminated surfaces". So I can stop taking a bath in hand sanitizer now? I think when the smoke clears on this, and more antibody testing is done, we will find that it will have infected far more people than we thought it would, but it is not as deadly as we were initially told it would be.

 

[osufeth24]

I think it's certainly possible, but as Pete said "who knows?", as the information changes by the day. First we were told masks weren't necessary, and now there's an article quoting the CDC as saying "Coronavirus mainly spreads through person-to-person contact and does not easily spread on contaminated surfaces". So I can stop taking a bath in hand sanitizer now? I think when the smoke clears on this, and more antibody testing is done, we will find that it will have infected far more people than we thought it would, but it is not as deadly as we were initially told it would be.

I also think it's been here a lot longer than people think. I believe in Ohio at least there was a trace of someone having it in January, and places in Cali since December.

I do think it's clear it's not as deadly as the media tried to make it out to be.

 

[jscottnc]

I also think it's been here a lot longer than people think. I believe in Ohio at least there was a trace of someone having it in January, and places in Cali since December.

I do think it's clear it's not as deadly as the media tried to make it out to be.

Data! We need data (looking at you Florida). The mortality rate reported by the media is likely high because we do not have sufficient testing to know who has contracted COVID-19 and recovered without being admitted to the hospital. Likewise we know little of those who passed due to COVID-19 without making it to the hospital. Worse, we really do not have an accurate profile of those most at risk.

I compare this to my company's quarterly announcements about incentive bonus. It is expressed as a percentage of a number I don't know and distributed according to relative performance of which I only know my personal performance. The number reported may encourage or disappoint me but does not tell me exactly how I am affected.

 

[osufeth24]

Data! We need data (looking at you Florida). The mortality rate reported by the media is likely high because we do not have sufficient testing to know who has contracted COVID-19 and recovered without being admitted to the hospital. Likewise we know little of those who passed due to COVID-19 without making it to the hospital. Worse, we really do not have an accurate profile of those most at risk.

I compare this to my company's quarterly announcements about incentive bonus. It is expressed as a percentage of a number I don't know and distributed according to relative performance of which I only know my personal performance. The number reported may encourage or disappoint me but does not tell me exactly how I am affected.

There's also the opposite affect of hospitals classifying deaths as covid when in reality it is something else, thus inflating numbers.

Ohio has even admitted that if someone dies and they showed covid symptoms they are writing in as covid death even though it was something else. Also an article went viral just a few days ago in think in San Diego where someone died of alcohol poisoning, but hospital called it a covid death just because he had tested positive shortly before then.

I personally know a couple of families who had someone pass away of cancer, but the hospital labeled it as a covid death because they had symptoms. Those family's have been trying to sue the hospital to get it changed.

 

[Heather07438]

It wouldn't be surprising to see that happen.

"Viruses undergo evolution and natural selection, just like cell-based life, and most of them evolve rapidly." ~Khan Academy

Viruses that severely or quickly sicken, or kill too many hosts do not survive as well as weaker strains.

People who quickly get sick, severely get sick, or die break the virus' chain by being more segregated than people carrying a weaker form. Then the weaker forms become the most prevalent.

 

[Heather07438]

There's also the opposite affect of hospitals classifying deaths as covid when in reality it is something else, thus inflating numbers.

Ohio has even admitted that if someone dies and they showed covid symptoms they are writing in as covid death even though it was something else. Also an article went viral just a few days ago in think in San Diego where someone died of alcohol poisoning, but hospital called it a covid death just because he had tested positive shortly before then.

I personally know a couple of families who had someone pass away of cancer, but the hospital labeled it as a covid death because they had symptoms. Those family's have been trying to sue the hospital to get it changed.

What we really need to look at is excessive deaths, which actually are higher than our hospital counts.

From my area it is well know many deaths at home from cardiac arrest and such have not been recorded, and on a massive scale. A huge number of those cardiac arrests and strokes were caused by Covid infection. To counteract those numbers though, testing has only been administered to a fraction of those actually positive. So maybe the deaths are as much as double, the positive cases quadruple or more. I don't know but I'd expect it to be something like that.

 

[WDW_Ding]

There's also the opposite affect of hospitals classifying deaths as covid when in reality it is something else, thus inflating numbers.

Ohio has even admitted that if someone dies and they showed covid symptoms they are writing in as covid death even though it was something else. Also an article went viral just a few days ago in think in San Diego where someone died of alcohol poisoning, but hospital called it a covid death just because he had tested positive shortly before then.

I personally know a couple of families who had someone pass away of cancer, but the hospital labeled it as a covid death because they had symptoms. Those family's have been trying to sue the hospital to get it changed.

Post proof of these claims. If you cannot, stop spreading mistruths, half-truths, and/or heresay.

Also, I find it hard to believe that you know "a couple" of families that had family members with cancer and both died in a hospital recently and both had COVID symptoms and both were reported as having died of COVID and both families are suing the hospital.

 

[osufeth24]

Post proof of these claims. If you cannot, stop spreading mistruths, half-truths, and/or heresay.

Also, I find it hard to believe that you know "a couple" of families that had family members with cancer and both died in a hospital recently and both had COVID symptoms and both were reported as having died of COVID and both families are suing the hospital.

Sorry, was Colorado not San Diego, you caught me

https://www.foxnews.com/health/colo...poisoning-death-classified-coronavirus-report
https://news.yahoo.com/colorado-now-breaking-down-deaths-003947137.html
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...es-how-it-counts-covid-19-deaths-amends-total
taken directly from Dayton news

It's also been widely reported from other people that's what's been going on. I'm not going to hold your hand and go back to find every single piece of info for you.

 

[osufeth24]

not spreading misinformation, it's called not paying attention to what the crap mainstream media spews and doing your own research.

Don't ever call me a liar again

 

[CampbellzSoup]

not spreading misinformation, it's called not paying attention to what the crap mainstream media spews and doing your own research.

Don't ever call me a liar again

People don’t ever want to hear another argument that doesn’t support what they are fed on television. I always enjoying reading both sides to a story.

 

[osufeth24]

People don’t ever want to hear another argument that doesn’t support what they are fed on television. I always enjoying reading both sides to a story.

Thanks.

I apologize for coming off hot headed. Not a good day today.

 

[WDW_Ding]

Sorry, was Colorado not San Diego, you caught me

https://www.foxnews.com/health/colo...poisoning-death-classified-coronavirus-report
https://news.yahoo.com/colorado-now-breaking-down-deaths-003947137.html
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...es-how-it-counts-covid-19-deaths-amends-total
taken directly from Dayton news

It's also been widely reported from other people that's what's been going on. I'm not going to hold your hand and go back to find every single piece of info for you.

Regarding Colorado, the article you posted says that they were reporting people who HAD COVID as having died of COVID, even if they couldn't be 100% sure it was COVID that killed them. Many things about COVID are not understood by medical professionals, so this isn't entirely unreasonable. COVID can attack vital organs...some people have kidney trouble brought on by COVID and some do not. As I said, it is not well understood and attacks everyone somewhat differently. So, if someone has COVID and then they die, I don't think it is unreasonable for the doctor to assume that COVID was the deciding factor. Anyway, the same article you posted says that they are not doing this any longer, so I'm not sure what you're upset about.

Regarding what you said about Ohio, much of what I said about Colorado applies here too, but it does seem sketchy about this guy's blood alcohol levels. At any rate, this is only 1 person.

As far as counting deaths as being related to COVID even if they haven't been tested...there simply is not enough testing, so I trust that medical professionals can make that decision. Half of the counties in the US have no place to even get tested...there isn't enough testing and this puts medical professionals in a bad place.

If you think the number of deaths is inflated, I would respond by saying that they are, in all likelihood, actually under estimated. In 2009, when the H1N1 flu was circulating, the actual number of deaths from it were underreported by a factor of 10. That is to say, there were 10 times MORE H1N1 deaths than were initially reported.

I would urge you to listen to actual medical experts and not political commentators.

Also, you chose to ignore the whole "I personally know a couple of families who had someone pass away of cancer, but the hospital labeled it as a covid death because they had symptoms. Those family's have been trying to sue the hospital to get it changed." thing.

 

[WDW_Ding]

People don’t ever want to hear another argument that doesn’t support what they are fed on television. I always enjoying reading both sides to a story.

There are not two sides to COVID. It kills people and there is no treatment. What is "the other side" about that?

 

[afan]

The thing about calling them covid deaths, it's like a lot of other causes. You have cancer but get pneumonia and that's the cause of death with the cancer secondary. If you hadn't had the cancer you wouldn't have gotten pneumonia or been able to fight it etc. The person that dies of covid that has an underlying condition probably wouldn't have died on that day had they not gotten sick with covid.

Doing family research and seeing the primary and secondary cause of death on the death certificate shows this type of thing often.

 

[DisLiss]

All death certificates have spaces for more than one cause of death. And while I don't know if it's the case with all states, but my home state has had spaces for two causes for over 100 years now. (I work with death certificates and I see ones from all different eras, and each time the format has changed in any way, having 2 causes of death has remained a constant.)

Marking a death certificate with COVID if the person had COVID is the right thing to do. A person who already has cancer would likely have lived longer if they had not contracted COVID-19. And they may have had a better chance of surviving the COVID-19 if they didn't already have cancer. It goes both ways, unfortunately. ☹

 

[Jrb1979]

There are not two sides to COVID. It kills people and there is no treatment. What is "the other side" about that?

A lot want to believe that this is nothing and it shows by how so many don't follow physical distancing. Most just want to get back to work but don't want to believe we are in a new normal

 

[Darklord77]

People don’t ever want to hear another argument that doesn’t support what they are fed on television. I always enjoying reading both sides to a story.

Bingo! I call these the news headline voters. They never bother to read the story and analyze the information for themselves. They just base their decisions off the headline.

 

[YesterDark]

There has to be a lot of "mis-identified" deaths to significantly alter some of the metrics out there. A few cases here or there is essentially anecdotal evidence and is typically allocated for in larger scope studies.

You should never take a few cases that are reported to represent the larger data set at hand.

 

[Marionnette]

A lot want to believe that this is nothing and it shows by how so many don't follow physical distancing. Most just want to get back to work but don't want to believe we are in a new normal

I hate that phrase. Somebody please bury it!

Are you collecting a paycheck? Do you own a business that has been locked down for over two months? When was the last time you got together with friends and family members? Did a loved one die but you couldn’t hold a proper funeral? This isn’t normal and no one will ever convince me that it is.