Are there any new statistics available on how RIV is selling?

Geeze. I think we have officially reached the “frothy” levels of direct pricing. I can purchase a VGF contract resale for about $180/point and yet I’m going to pay $65/point just to have some minor benefits that I will never in my lifetime breakeven on? Absurd.
Keep in mind, its not just the "membership" benefits. It's also the ability to stay at new resorts. Plus, you can always go the hybrid approach. The breakeven on annual passes, especially with a family of 4 or 5 doesn't take that long on a 75 to 100 point direct contract.
 
Geeze. I think we have officially reached the “frothy” levels of direct pricing. I can purchase a VGF contract resale for about $180/point and yet I’m going to pay $65/point just to have some minor benefits that I will never in my lifetime breakeven on? Absurd.
Your post illustrates the real problem. Because the direct price is $245 a point nobody is balking at $180 a point, which is also absurdly high! Genius move by Disney and we all fell for it.
 
I bought VGF at $135. If I were a completely rational actor I should sell, right?
I honestly don't know and it's something I struggle with constantly. If I wouldn't buy something at a particular price, and I own it, does that necessitate that I sell? I don't really know.

I will say this, I thought VGC was crazy at $190pp and I sold it. I don't need the 11-month advantage at BLT so I sold that. However, I also think that BWV at $125pp is too high but I'm not selling that. Not yet anyway. At this point I think you hold VGF because the alternatives are not good. I tend to book studios at BWV so I need to own there to have a shot. Same with VGF...if you don't own there you're going to have a tough time staying there.

What do you think you should do?
 


What would you do with the money?
The reality is, I *should* probably invest it, right? But where's the fun in that? I can't come on the DIS and talk about how my stocks are doing with the same kind of enjoyment I get from shooting the breeze here. :)

(I do own DIS stock as well...)

will say this, I thought VGC was crazy at $190pp and I sold it. I don't need the 11-month advantage at BLT so I sold that. However, I also think that BWV at $125pp is too high but I'm not selling that. Not yet anyway. At this point I think you hold VGF because the alternatives are not good. I tend to book studios at BWV so I need to own there to have a shot. Same with VGF...if you don't own there you're going to have a tough time staying there.
I do the same analysis! Now that we travel during school breaks a lot, I find that the rooms I like are pretty much booked out in the 7-11 month window, and my whole family LOVES VGF, so we hold it. RIV actually may give VGF a run for its money, with our family. I love BLT and the nostalgia of the Contemporary, so we are holding on to that as well. And for standard rooms at BLT, you do need to own there. My kids still love going to TOTWL in their pajamas to watch fireworks (or watching from our balcony) and then getting into bed from there. Plus California Grill is DH's 2nd favorite restaurant. So we hold ALL our points, on 90% emotion and 10% reason.
 


I honestly don't know and it's something I struggle with constantly. If I wouldn't buy something at a particular price, and I own it, does that necessitate that I sell? I don't really know.

I will say this, I thought VGC was crazy at $190pp and I sold it. I don't need the 11-month advantage at BLT so I sold that. However, I also think that BWV at $125pp is too high but I'm not selling that. Not yet anyway. At this point I think you hold VGF because the alternatives are not good. I tend to book studios at BWV so I need to own there to have a shot. Same with VGF...if you don't own there you're going to have a tough time staying there.

What do you think you should do?

From a purely financial numbers view point if you wouldn't buy at the current price, then you should sell (taking selling costs into account). So I'm also wondering if I should be selling. Inertia and fear that prices might go even higher locking me out keep me from taking any action right now, but it is in the back of my mind.
 
The reality is, I *should* probably invest it, right? But where's the fun in that? I can't come on the DIS and talk about how my stocks are doing with the same kind of enjoyment I get from shooting the breeze here. :)

Being invest in oil for the last few years hasn't worked out so well, so maybe keeping my DVC isn't so bad an option.
 
From a purely financial numbers view point if you wouldn't buy at the current price, then you should sell (taking selling costs into account). So I'm also wondering if I should be selling. Inertia and fear that prices might go even higher locking me out keep me from taking any action right now, but it is in the back of my mind.

At these prices, I wouldn't necessarily buy VGF or BLT. It's a close call. Since I *did* recently buy RIV direct, I guess that's the contract I should hold on to?? 🤣 🤣 🤣
 
It will be interesting to see how RIV sales are impacted by yesterdays Skyliner malfunction. If I was on the fence, not having a safe, efficient and reliable Skyliner at the resort would be enough for me to look elsewhere. For the record we own BLT and yes the monorail is aging and has issues, but I've never been stranded walking to/from MK/BLT. I am semi-confident that WDW will figure out the Skyliner issues, as well as an eventual monorail upgrade.
 
It will be interesting to see how RIV sales are impacted by yesterdays Skyliner malfunction. If I was on the fence, not having a safe, efficient and reliable Skyliner at the resort would be enough for me to look elsewhere. For the record we own BLT and yes the monorail is aging and has issues, but I've never been stranded walking to/from MK/BLT. I am semi-confident that WDW will figure out the Skyliner issues, as well as an eventual monorail upgrade.
I'm confident Disney will figure out the Skyliner and eventually "upgrade" the monorail with one.

Source: me bum
 
I have been on the fence and this makes me check one more box in the wait and see category. I’m waiting to see feedback after it opens, maybe after a short stay, what happens in Dec. overall with MFs and point charts, and now efficiency (and less so safety since I imagine they will get that fixed) of the gondola. I have a lot of cold feet now 🥶 Of course my biggest issue is still the resale restrictions. Paying more is one thing but paying more AND knowing you will take a large resale hit if you need out is another.
 
I am semi-confident that WDW will figure out the Skyliner issues...

What's the alternative? Throw their proverbial arms up in the air, say "oh well, we tried" and start dismantling the system?

This is not an untested, inherently dangerous method of transportation. The only real question is what changes are necessary to improve operating efficiency. It could be anything from a speed reduction to station modifications to software tweaks to improved procedures / staff training.

The Skyliner isn't going anywhere. Well, you know what I mean...
 
This is not an untested, inherently dangerous method of transportation. The only real question is what changes are necessary to improve operating efficiency. It could be anything from a speed reduction to station modifications to software tweaks to improved procedures / staff training.

Gondola systems like this are not new technology. They are just new to Disney World
 
And lawsuits? Long run you have to wonder if monorail wouldn’t have been cheaper. Definitely more comfortable.
Why would DVC members be on the hook for lawsuits? Transportation to and from resorts is not part of DVC operations. The resorts contract with the Transportation department for transportation. They (Disney Transportation Department) operate the system. While it's all "Disney", I can't imagine a legitimate way DVC Members could be responsible in any way for a transportation accident. We don't pay for boat or bus accidents.
 
And even with some lawsuits and rescue ops, there is not a chance monorail expansion would be cheaper, ever.

Estimating cheap, monorail is $20M per mile when building in a swamp.
 
Why would DVC members be on the hook for lawsuits? Transportation to and from resorts is not part of DVC operations. The resorts contract with the Transportation department for transportation. They (Disney Transportation Department) operate the system. While it's all "Disney", I can't imagine a legitimate way DVC Members could be responsible in any way for a transportation accident. We don't pay for boat or bus accidents.
From what I understand a percentage of the operations and maintenance of the Riviera station is assigned to RIV maintenance fees.
 

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