ABD Japan July 14-26 (with Tokyo Disneyland Extension): Trip Report and Impressions

@Calfan You are definitely going to have to do a TR for your Japan trip. I'm going to be very curious to how it compares with the ABD itinerary.

I was happy that we all got to participate and cook on this ABD for the cooking activities, I just wished there was more food, LOL. And no cleavers were involved! I remember you telling me about that.

Our bike ride probably wasn't as "off road" as the one in Scotland, if I"m remembering that one correctly. But on this one there was a slightly scary section where you go along the river and there's a good size drop on the other side. I remember thinking: please don't anyone crash here. We did have a teen crash, but he was in a different group and I didn't see it. He wasn't hurt. I don't think it was in the area I thought of since if he'd crashed there it wouldn't have been pretty. The ride was a decent length, too. I want to say 1.5 hours or so. I just wanted more of them, and from what you've said of Thompson, you had that.

EDITED to remove previous message quote as it wasn't offsetting and it was confusing. Tagged Calfan instead.

I will be sure to post something on the Other Options thread after our trip. Plus, time permitting, I'll be posting on social media as we go. It looks like a lot of similarities in terms of the basic areas covered on the ABD and Thomson Japan trips. The official trip starts in Tokyo, then moves to Osaka and Nara, then to the Kii Peninsula and the Kumano Kodo Trail and ends in Kyoto. We worked with Thomson to customize an overnight to the Mt. Fuji area before the start of the official trip in Tokyo and also to add two nights in Hiroshima at the end of the trip. Looks like we've got a bike ride in Asuka, a Taiko drumming class, a calligraphy activity, hiking a portion of the Kumano Kodo trail, making washi paper, a jet boat cruise along Doro-kyo Gorge while on the Kii Peninsula and an evening at a karoake box in Tokyo. (I was too lazy to look up the detailed itinerary, lol, so just taking these from the summary on the Thomson website.) We do stay in a Ryokan on the Kumano Kodo. But I'm sure the hotels in the overlapping cities are a notch down from ABD's, which is generally what we experienced in China with Thomson (with one hotel being the same as the ABD, I think).
 
@CaliforniaGirl09 My husband an I really appreciate all the hard trip-reporting you are doing. It is really helping us to shape our last few On our Own Times immensely. While I am 100% sure all these trips were and will-be amazing. I am actually really glad we decided on one of the last trips of the inaugural year. It would seem that the guides are doing their very best to adjust and tweak activities trip to trip. Which is what we liked about ABD (they always seem ready for anything)

Quick question about the 2 star sushi place the hotel set you up in... If we aren't planning to do Jiro (which we discussed, but ultimately are doing a Wagu 5 Kobe Beef experience in Kobe instead *READ just as freaking expensive*) would you say that this 2 star-place will suffice for our sushi fix … it sounds like the ingredients might have been not as 'premium' from your review... however do you truly think that was just being super hard on the place after being at Jiro? As foodies ourselves would you say this place is worth it?



Also to clarify a few comments... they aren't totally eliminating the Shrine on Day 10 until the 2020 trips correct? Because that is something we are excited in doing. Especially after hearing WDW's comments up in this thread.

For the last day we have now hired a private guide. We figured we'd meet him around 11 AM. (which is what sounds like the time people were taken to Takeshita Street) I figure that will make our day super efficient so we see the things we really want to see (aka Akihabara, Skytree, things ABD doesn't focus on)

If anyone else is reading these reports and have trips coming up I highly recommend looking into TripleLights Tours. Just having a local navigate the trains quickly will be worth its weight in money to me.

I just can't believe it's already August. I'm going to blink and then be in an Airplane in September.
 
I will be sure to post something on the Other Options thread after our trip. Plus, time permitting, I'll be posting on social media as we go. It looks like a lot of similarities in terms of the basic areas covered on the ABD and Thomson Japan trips. The official trip starts in Tokyo, then moves to Osaka and Nara, then to the Kii Peninsula and the Kumano Kodo Trail and ends in Kyoto. We worked with Thomson to customize an overnight to the Mt. Fuji area before the start of the official trip in Tokyo and also to add two nights in Hiroshima at the end of the trip. Looks like we've got a bike ride in Asuka, a Taiko drumming class, a calligraphy activity, hiking a portion of the Kumano Kodo trail, making washi paper, a jet boat cruise along Doro-kyo Gorge while on the Kii Peninsula and an evening at a karoake box in Tokyo. (I was too lazy to look up the detailed itinerary, lol, so just taking these from the summary on the Thomson website.) We do stay in a Ryokan on the Kumano Kodo. But I'm sure the hotels in the overlapping cities are a notch down from ABD's, which is generally what we experienced in China with Thomson (with one hotel being the same as the ABD, I think).
SOOOO jealous. You anticipated my summary. I'll be posting it later today or tomorrow, but one of the things I really missed in this itinerary was Mt. Fuji. It was torture driving by it--we had a great view. Both guides said best view of the year for them, and really rare to see the summit so close. Otherwise many of the same things. Super jealous about the Ryokan, too. You anticipated that in my summary, too. Our group was too big! Shock. The notch down in hotels was big to me, but it might not be in the future.
 
@CaliforniaGirl09 My husband an I really appreciate all the hard trip-reporting you are doing. It is really helping us to shape our last few On our Own Times immensely. While I am 100% sure all these trips were and will-be amazing. I am actually really glad we decided on one of the last trips of the inaugural year. It would seem that the guides are doing their very best to adjust and tweak activities trip to trip. Which is what we liked about ABD (they always seem ready for anything)

Quick question about the 2 star sushi place the hotel set you up in... If we aren't planning to do Jiro (which we discussed, but ultimately are doing a Wagu 5 Kobe Beef experience in Kobe instead *READ just as freaking expensive*) would you say that this 2 star-place will suffice for our sushi fix … it sounds like the ingredients might have been not as 'premium' from your review... however do you truly think that was just being super hard on the place after being at Jiro? As foodies ourselves would you say this place is worth it?



Also to clarify a few comments... they aren't totally eliminating the Shrine on Day 10 until the 2020 trips correct? Because that is something we are excited in doing. Especially after hearing WDW's comments up in this thread.

For the last day we have now hired a private guide. We figured we'd meet him around 11 AM. (which is what sounds like the time people were taken to Takeshita Street) I figure that will make our day super efficient so we see the things we really want to see (aka Akihabara, Skytree, things ABD doesn't focus on)

If anyone else is reading these reports and have trips coming up I highly recommend looking into TripleLights Tours. Just having a local navigate the trains quickly will be worth its weight in money to me.

I just can't believe it's already August. I'm going to blink and then be in an Airplane in September.

I think it will definitely suffice! Wakon was really good--we were definitely splitting hairs, and the pieces we thought were superior at Jiro were only a few. I just personally didn't like the non-nigiri items on the menu as much at Wakon. Dinner has the nigiri plus a few other things. Lunch just has the nigiri. For the more comparable Jiro experience maybe look at doing lunch at Wakon (bonus: it's quite a bit cheaper as I recall as well)? The problem is that they do seatings so you might have a hard time estimating lunch. That's why I didn't do it. We ended up doing the 8 pm seating for dinner for the same reason, but we would have been fine doing the earlier one. If your Wagyu experience is as pricey as Jiro, then I'm sure you could find less expensive awesome Edo style sushi experiences. Sushi Wakon at dinner was pretty steep as well and coming after Jiro made me kind of wish I'd cancelled. You also have the option of doing Sushi Wakon while you are in Kyoto at one of the on your own meals? I believe @Cousin Orville ate at the Peninsula version of Wakon as well, maybe he could chime in on his thoughts for Edo style places. He's awesome at finding restaurants! They are usually an after thought for me.

The private guide sounds like a great idea.

I believe the temple cancellation is just for next year, but with ABD you never know. We had the Buddha removed from our itinerary without explanation. There is so little that day though that I suspect they won't eliminate it until 2020--there might be some blowback.

I"m excited for you--you are going to have a blast!
 


That was so much fun to read!
One of the odd things about the food tour in Takayama was stopping outside a store with a sign with an icecream cone on it, being asked 'what do you think this place is?' and being told tofu and then being handed lukewarm tofu out of a plastic box.....high to a low in 5 minutes. While it was disappointing as a food tour, I loved seeing takayama. I don't ride bikes, so went back the next morning - and lots of folks in our group missed the bike ride to wander and shop.
We've done two food tours now on ABD trips (Paris and Takayama) and not enjoyed them - but loved others we have done.
 
@CaliforniaGirl09 One more question to pick your brain. You said that Dontobori Street was a big highlight for you. How did that work? The itinerary says that it was an optional stop and you even said your son went back to the hotel. How long did the part of the group that decided to stay in Osaka get? Was it a full evening...like could we walk the streets and just do a lot of food for dinner? Or would we have time to eat at an actual restaurant or hang out at bar? And how did you guys get back to the hotel? Did ABD provide transport and a certain meeting time or did you have to train back to Kyoto?
 
It was my friend @Calfan who has done Thompson, but I'm definitely looking at them as well. It sounds as if it would be a great trip for us. I'm LOL at the description of the cave hike and river rafting. Sounds much more our cup of tea. Was it a fun trip? I'll have to add it to my list. Canada is supposedly beautiful.

I am sorry that I confused the California people. When I first joined Disboards, I remember thinking you and Calfan were sisters!

Definitely fun. We loved the Canadian Rockies trip! This was our first family tour group outside of ABD so we did quite a bit of day to day comparison. For example, ABD and TFA both visit the Columbia Icefield. However, but ABD approaches the glacier by bus and skywalk (glass bottom walking path), TFA had us put on the crampons and hike up the glacier. Every day was active and we really enjoyed the smaller group (ours was the maximum:16 people). We saw six bears, countless horned sheep, and elk during the trip. The final hike had us at elevation above the tree line and into fresh snow. The guides were fantastic, down to earth, and would grab a beer with us at the end of the day. Sorry to disrupt your wonderful Japan tour report with Canada!

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I am sorry that I confused the California people. When I first joined Disboards, I remember thinking you and Calfan were sisters!

Definitely fun. We loved the Canadian Rockies trip! This was our first family tour group outside of ABD so we did quite a bit of day to day comparison. For example, ABD and TFA both visit the Columbia Icefield. However, but ABD approaches the glacier by bus and skywalk (glass bottom walking path), TFA had us put on the crampons and hike up the glacier. Every day was active and we really enjoyed the smaller group (ours was the maximum:16 people). We saw six bears, countless horned sheep, and elk during the trip. The final hike had us at elevation above the tree line and into fresh snow. The guides were fantastic, down to earth, and would grab a beer with us at the end of the day. Sorry to disrupt your wonderful Japan tour report with Canada!

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Gorgeous! Sounds like an awesome trip.
 
We just got back yesterday, and I wanted to put together my thoughts while they are fresh. Overall, it was a fantastic trip. We absolutely fell in love with Japan—what a fabulous country. Everything is so clean, safe and run so efficiently. I'd return in a heartbeat.

Our ABD was a lot of fun. It easily won for the best overall food, and the Peninsula Tokyo was probably my favorite ABD hotel ever (although I think China probably had better hotels overall). We also had two of my favorite guides of all time—we loved Ken and Tomomi—but the trip itself didn’t knock China and Scotland off my favorite spot. It’s a solid trip, and probably one of the best ABD offers, but group size and pace was a big issue for us. It really feels as if ABD is moving away from the VIP/special type of family “adventure” product, to a more multi-generational family less active travel platform, which is fine—and would be great if we were traveling with my mom—but that’s not the travel experience I’m looking for right now. There were many times I thought enviously of my friend @Calfan's summer 2020 to Japan with Thompson that will have much smaller numbers. I'll be anxious to hear how her experience compares. Was it "worth" it? So subjective, but I think it was for us. Still, I'm not sure I'll be booking another ABD unless they change the group sizes or I can be sure of a smaller group.

PRE-TRIP:

Flights: If you are on the budget board, you’ve heard me talk about our flights already, but this was one of my best travel hacking successes ever. I was able to get $55k worth of flights for about 554,000 miles and $1300. Originally all four of us were all on the same JAL flight from SFO to Haneda (two in first and two in business) but when the amazing VS redemption option opened up for two tickets on ANA, I was able to switch DH and DS to ANA, one-way in business and one-way in first for half the JAL miles. Also, that way all of us had at least one way in first.

DD and I had the JAL round trip flight in first, and it was amazing. We had Cristal champagne, caviar, and a multi-course Japanese meal. Our flight attendant was stunned when we both ordered the Japanese meal rather than the western meal option. Repeating what I wrote about in the budget board, we (two casually dressed western women) stuck out like a sore thumb on the mostly black-suit-clad Japanese businessmen on the plane. We only saw a handful of westerners on the entire flight. All the other first class passengers were Japanese businessmen, and I only saw one businesswoman in business class, although there could have been more. I saw one other western woman getting on the plane, and didn’t see any young kids or families at all. It was very strange. Something to think about, but I would have been very anxious if I’d had young children with me in either first or business. It was extremely quiet, and you know how when you walk into a cabin you exchange smiles and sometimes chit chat with your cabin mates? There was NONE of that. We weren’t uncomfortable, but we definitely felt as if we stuck out.

The way back was slightly less Japanese Businessmen focused, and there were only 6 of 8 first class seats filled. The boys were the only 2 in first on ANA on the way back and were basically treated like royalty. They loved first on ANA, but weren’t as impressed with the business class service going out. DH said they were pretty much ignored and had to use the call button a number of times for service. Weird and not what we've heard about ANA at all. Probably a fluke.

Here are the girls enjoying our JAL suites
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My Cristal and caviar. I love Cristal, and they kept my glass full. Caviar I'm not sure about. I've had it multiple times, but I think it's that acquired taste thing :)
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Pre-days:
We had two pre-ABD nights in Tokyo. As the boys were flying into Narita, and the girls were flying into Haneda, I wanted a hotel that was central to both. The Tokyo Station Hotel seemed to fit the bill. I’ve wanted to stay at the Tokyo Park Hyatt since LOST IN TRANSLATION, and I could have gotten it fairly cheaply on miles a few months back so I debated changing hotels. I’m so glad I didn’t. The Tokyo Station hotel worked out perfectly.

DH and DS made it all by themselves on the Narita Express without me navigating (quite a feat!) and were met by hotel staff at the station. DD and I zoomed into the station on a monorail and a quick subway ride. We were there about 80 minutes after our flight touched down—and that was with customs, luggage, and us waiting in line to send our luggage on to the first ABD hotel in Kyoto! [A quick aside on that: I’m a control freak and the last person to trust a baggage service with luggage, but Japan is different. They are so efficient, and I’d read really great things about the airline’s baggage service. Given the limited size of the train luggage racks and the crowded trains, it was awesome not to lug our huge bags back and forth. Shipping via JAL was easy, and the agents who helped me immediately inspired confidence. While in Tokyo those two days, I didn’t worry once about losing luggage, which is saying something. To jump ahead, it was waiting for us when we checked in.]

Back to the hotel … not only did the Tokyo Station Hotel live up to it’s fantastic central location promise, it was gorgeous, stately, and had a fabulous concierge who was able to secure us a lunch reservation at the most famous sushi restaurant in Tokyo the day after our arrival. The hotel ended up being our second favorite hotel of the trip.

View of the hotel from the plaza--it's literally connected to the station and our room looked out over the ticket lobby.
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For dinner the first night, we broke an unspoken family rule to try to eat local when we travel. As it was 9pm, we wanted something quick and relatively cheap given our big budget lunch the next day so we hit the very close to the hotel Shake Shack for dinner. It was pretty much the same as the US, although smaller portions and not as greasy and sweet. I know, it’s shameful, but at least it wasn’t McDonalds, LOL.

For breakfast we needed coffee but didn’t to eat much. “St. Arbucks,” the great patron saint of coffee from Seattle that was a block away, fit the bill. We’d heard the Starbucks food was surprisingly good in Japan, and it was. They had really good pastries that are both smaller and not nearly as sweet as in US. I never eat scones or cinnamon buns, but both were delicious. We ended up eating that both mornings. The hotel buffet was about $45 a person and we all ate for that price at Starbucks. We knew we’d be doing a lot of buffets in the next 12 days so it ended up being a good decision.

Our lunch on Saturday was at noon so we didn’t want to eat too much. The coveted reservation the concierge was able to secure for us (the Peninsula wasn’t able to get it for later in our trip) was at the Michelin 3-star Sukiyabashi Jiro Ginza made famous by the documentary JIRO DREAMS OF SUSHI. If you haven’t seen the film, look for it on Netflix. It’s a wonderful movie and has become something of a cult favorite. Seeing the dedication this man puts in to the art of making sushi is truly awe-inspiring.

If you know about Jiro, there are some pretty strict “rules” that mostly have to do with respecting the chef and the tradition [if you are interested you can read more here: https://www.sushi-jiro.jp/dining-at-jiro/]. But one of the biggest is that you must be on time. If you are even one minute late, you forfeit your reservation and pay the full amount of the lunch, which is the same cost as dinner and a pretty penny! It sounds punitive, but it goes back to the respect issue and the perfection of the timing. Each batch of rice is made to be ready precisely on time for each seating.

We were warned that the restaurant can be somewhat difficult to find so I’d sent the boys on a Jiro finding recon mission the night before, as they arrived a few hours earlier than DD and me. They apparently found it, but then decided to look for a nearby Krispy Kreme, which we planned to reward DS22 special needs with if he did a good job the next day at lunch. The boys found KK and got lost going back to the hotel. But that wasn’t the problem. The problem was that it (allegedly) messed up my husband’s memory of the path he took to Jiro. Of course he didn’t tell us that until we were walking there the next day, and he got us lost! I would have literally killed him, if we hadn’t found it. We’d been given maps, but they were pretty useless. Addresses and streets in Tokyo are very very confusing. There is pretty much another city underground in Tokyo with malls, eateries, businesses, etc. often under street level.

Fortunately for my husband’s life expectancy, we’d left the hotel early and ending up finding the restaurant with about 10 minutes to spare. We didn’t forfeit the exorbitant cost of the meal for the 4 of us. It was ridiculously expensive, but a once-in-a-lifetime experience that exceeded my expectations in every way.

The biggest and best surprise of the trip hit us when we walked in the door and saw Jiro standing behind the bar. The famous sushi master is now in his mid-90s and I believe has been either not feeling well or not around much lately. We had absolutely NO expectation of seeing him, and I literally had to control my gasp—and my shaking. I couldn’t even look at my daughter or husband it was so exciting. And then the meal began and all we could concentrate on was eating.

I was very nervous about the meal—it’s a little intimidating as the restaurant is an “Edo style” ten-seat counter and you eat at the bar piece-by-piece right in front of the chefs who watch you for reactions. Both Jiro and his first son Yoshikazu were behind the bar. There is very little interaction with the chefs, although the sous chefs will talk a little.

It’s hard to explain how good the sushi is. The rice, the fish, the wasabi, the soy sauce, the balance, everything just literally melted in your mouth. You eat 20 pieces put out in front of you one-by-one in about 30 minutes, and I’m happy to report that although both kids had slight mishaps with the second piece of broiled prawn (the only one that is cut in two), we finished no problem. I could have eaten more, but due to the cost I refrained :)

We were primarily worried about DS. He loves sushi restaurants but typically eats rolls and not nigiri. I was worried he might not like things like sea urchin or mackerel and wouldn’t be able to hide his reaction. I shouldn’t have been. Each piece was absolutely delicious. There wasn’t one thing I ate that was “unusual” or “an acquired taste”, i.e. euphemisms for tastes weird, LOL. My son devoured his sushi, oohing and aahing along the way. He’s got a really good palate, which speaks to how good the food was. I really don’t think you need to be an avid or adventurous sushi eater to fully appreciate this place.

Pictures are not allowed during the meal and the chefs won't always take pictures with you, but we were thrilled that Jiro agreed to take a picture with us. We had to wait about 45 minutes while he attended to the next seating, but it was worth it!

Here's our menu and the cherished photo! (Sorry about the sideways picture, but the new DISboards does this to all my iPhone shots taken vertically).
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Our Jiro experience was so over the top amazing, I knew we’d hit the highlight of the trip on the first day. I'm so glad we were able to get in there.

After Jiro we walked around the Imperial Palace area, which is right by Ginza and our hotel (which are also very close to the Peninsula hotel where we’d be staying with ABD on our return). I was mostly interested in the Edo Castle ruins so we headed there and walked around the gardens. It was a nice way to spend an afternoon.

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For dinner, we headed to the famous Ramen Street in the labyrinth that is Tokyo Station. Even with a map and directions it took us a while to find it, but eventually we stumbled on it. DS, DD, and I are huge “ramen head(s)” (another great documentary if you can find it), and I had a list of ramen shops that I wanted to try. We found my top choice and then proceeded to the vending machine, which is how you order. We spent a good ten minutes trying to figure it out before a waitress from the restaurant took pity on us and came out to help. The instructions were all in Japanese, and it wasn’t intuitive. You had to put the money in first before ordering, and then choose the number you wanted before actually hitting the item. But it was worth it. It was the first of many delicious bowls of ramen we had over the next few days. If you like ramen, I highly recommend trying to find this part of the station. We ended up returning to Ramen street on our last full day in Tokyo for lunch.

My delicious "Tonkotsu" style ramen.
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This was the shop we ate at twice.
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Some of the lines in Ramen Street.
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The vending machine that defeated us!
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After dinner we walked around “character street” a little while, where there are tons of Hello Kitty types of stores that are so popular in Japan, and then headed back to the hotel to try to get a long night of sleep. We wanted to make sure we got rid of any jet lag for the start of ABD the next day.

HOLY $&%@ YOU MET JIRO! You are my hero! I truly loved Jiro Dreams of Sushi & I didn't know he was still working. I'm sure it's what keeps him going. #imnotcryingyourecrying

I'm glad you got help with the ramen vending machines! Unfortunately not all businesses try to accommodate foreigners.
 
That was so much fun to read!
One of the odd things about the food tour in Takayama was stopping outside a store with a sign with an icecream cone on it, being asked 'what do you think this place is?' and being told tofu and then being handed lukewarm tofu out of a plastic box.....high to a low in 5 minutes. While it was disappointing as a food tour, I loved seeing takayama. I don't ride bikes, so went back the next morning - and lots of folks in our group missed the bike ride to wander and shop.
We've done two food tours now on ABD trips (Paris and Takayama) and not enjoyed them - but loved others we have done.
OMG too funny. I totally forgot about that with the Tofu place. I loved Takayama, too. It was a really cool area to walk around. So glad you are enjoying :)

@CaliforniaGirl09 One more question to pick your brain. You said that Dontobori Street was a big highlight for you. How did that work? The itinerary says that it was an optional stop and you even said your son went back to the hotel. How long did the part of the group that decided to stay in Osaka get? Was it a full evening...like could we walk the streets and just do a lot of food for dinner? Or would we have time to eat at an actual restaurant or hang out at bar? And how did you guys get back to the hotel? Did ABD provide transport and a certain meeting time or did you have to train back to Kyoto?

We all went back to the hotel after the boat cruise in Kyoto. You only go to Osaka if you are do the optional tour to Dotonbori. That hadn't been clear to me either. If you go to Osaka, you only have a really short time at the hotel after a busy few days to relax. I want to say we had an hour. The guides warned us we wouldn't be home until late--I think they said 10:30, but we were actually back by 9:30. Had we known that ahead of time, we would have urged Ii.e. forced) DS to come along with us. He would have LOVED Dotonbori. He's the total foodie and loves 42nd street and Vegas.

We went back and forth to Osaka/Dotonbori on the bus. I think we had about 2 hours so plenty of time to hit an actual restaurant. We grazed at the food booths and hit the really good ramen place they recommend.

I am sorry that I confused the California people. When I first joined Disboards, I remember thinking you and Calfan were sisters!

Definitely fun. We loved the Canadian Rockies trip! This was our first family tour group outside of ABD so we did quite a bit of day to day comparison. For example, ABD and TFA both visit the Columbia Icefield. However, but ABD approaches the glacier by bus and skywalk (glass bottom walking path), TFA had us put on the crampons and hike up the glacier. Every day was active and we really enjoyed the smaller group (ours was the maximum:16 people). We saw six bears, countless horned sheep, and elk during the trip. The final hike had us at elevation above the tree line and into fresh snow. The guides were fantastic, down to earth, and would grab a beer with us at the end of the day. Sorry to disrupt your wonderful Japan tour report with Canada!

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ROFL no problem at all. We are very good friends and are confused all the time. OMG how gorgeous. Thanks so much for posting the great picture and reporting back on the Thompson trip. This one has just moved onto my list! That sounds like something right up my alley. I may have more questions for you at some point :)
 
HOLY $&%@ YOU MET JIRO! You are my hero! I truly loved Jiro Dreams of Sushi & I didn't know he was still working. I'm sure it's what keeps him going. #imnotcryingyourecrying

I'm glad you got help with the ramen vending machines! Unfortunately not all businesses try to accommodate foreigners.
You just put a huge smile on my face. I was so excited about Jiro, it's fun to have some company :) I didn't think he was working either. Actually everyone we talked to in Japan that we told about meeting him said the same thing. I think we got really lucky. The woman who helped with the vending machine was so sweet. She was laughing along with us at our cluelessness. Sounds like we hit a good one :) Thanks for posting!
 
Quick question about the 2 star sushi place the hotel set you up in... If we aren't planning to do Jiro (which we discussed, but ultimately are doing a Wagu 5 Kobe Beef experience in Kobe instead *READ just as freaking expensive*) would you say that this 2 star-place will suffice for our sushi fix … it sounds like the ingredients might have been not as 'premium' from your review... however do you truly think that was just being super hard on the place after being at Jiro? As foodies ourselves would you say this place is worth it?

I think it will definitely suffice! Wakon was really good--we were definitely splitting hairs, and the pieces we thought were superior at Jiro were only a few. I just personally didn't like the non-nigiri items on the menu as much at Wakon. Dinner has the nigiri plus a few other things. Lunch just has the nigiri. For the more comparable Jiro experience maybe look at doing lunch at Wakon (bonus: it's quite a bit cheaper as I recall as well)? The problem is that they do seatings so you might have a hard time estimating lunch. That's why I didn't do it. We ended up doing the 8 pm seating for dinner for the same reason, but we would have been fine doing the earlier one. If your Wagyu experience is as pricey as Jiro, then I'm sure you could find less expensive awesome Edo style sushi experiences. Sushi Wakon at dinner was pretty steep as well and coming after Jiro made me kind of wish I'd cancelled. You also have the option of doing Sushi Wakon while you are in Kyoto at one of the on your own meals? I believe @Cousin Orville ate at the Peninsula version of Wakon as well, maybe he could chime in on his thoughts for Edo style places. He's awesome at finding restaurants! They are usually an after thought for me.

We only ate at Wakon. My teen helped babysit our younger 2 kids, so we didn't want to be too far from the hotel. It's still my goal to eat at Jiro (as any good sushi lover), and if you have the opportunity you should go. My understanding is the chef at Wakon apprenticed with Jiro for years. So, Wakon's style and overall presentation and quality should be similar to Jiro's. Are there differences in the quality of the fish? I would have assumed not. Wakon is no doubt aiming for a couple of Michelin stars (like its sister restaurant in Kyoto) and trying to make its mark in a competitive omakase market. Many of the dishes between Jiro and Wakon are the same cut of fish. I recognized about 2/3 of them (like otoro and kinmedai), and they were the same top quality fish that other omakase restaurants feature - the best of the best. About 1/3 of the fish, I had never heard of before. I'm sure the Peninsula is buying the best fish they can get their hands on. In my experience comparing it to top omakase in the Houston and New York, the sushi was very good. Some pieces I thought were better than I've had in the US, and some I prefer US restaurants' more creative twist on a very traditional art form of preparing nigiri. The majority of what we were served was nigiri. I think we were served one roll. One fish was cooked, because it was brought out from the kitchen. I think the rest was nigiri. Probably 20 pieces? If you're a foodie and sushi lover, Wakon is a special experience. Probably only topped by Jiro.

I'll say I liked that Wakon was a little relaxed and less formal than I feared. I felt like I could ask the chef questions and joke with the server a little. I also thought it was cool that many of the dishes were served on antique plates like 200-300 yrs old! I assume that's Peninsula money at play. (Again, I think the Peninsula is buying the best fish they can get their hands on). Overall it was a great experience. However the price is not cheap. We did Kobe in Kyoto/Gion and Osaka. I want to say Wakon was more expensive. With a bottle of wine and a couple of extra pieces of sushi after the set meal ("please sir, can I have some more?") it was a little under a $1000 for 2. But IMO worth it. Some of the best sushi anywhere, and a great Tokyo experience.

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You just put a huge smile on my face. I was so excited about Jiro, it's fun to have some company :) I didn't think he was working either. Actually everyone we talked to in Japan that we told about meeting him said the same thing. I think we got really lucky. The woman who helped with the vending machine was so sweet. She was laughing along with us at our cluelessness. Sounds like we hit a good one :) Thanks for posting!

just fyi, the noodles you had shown on your 2-4 day pic wasn't soba, it was udon. Soba is actually buckwheat noodles which are dark in color as well as thinner & firmer than udon. Even the sign at the establishment says "Udon" in hiragana characters. I love udon (now as an adult) but still not a big fan of soba. Just thought I'd lyk.

and Okonomiyaki??? LOVE IT!! Luckily, there are a few restaurants here in Hawaii that do a good job of it, but the best were the ones I had in Japan over 20 years ago.

Everyone's trip reports about this ABD adventure make me smile because Japan is really great! I still have a lot of traveling in Europe to do before heading back to Japan, tho.
 
Days 11-13: Post Stay Add-on at Tokyo Disneyland

We were really excited to visit the Tokyo Parks since we’ve heard for years that DisneySea is the best Disney Park in theming. It was also going to complete the Disney theme parks around the work for 3 of us. DH, DS, and I have now hit all 12!!! Unfortunately DD missed out on Disneyland Paris since she was in school so she’s stuck at 10.

Here we are celebrating #12! Disney around the world!
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Here is poor DD:

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I totally agree abouutisneySea—the theming was amazing, and it’s on an entirely different level from any other park. It’s HUGE. I couldn’t believe they’d essentially built a cruise ship for one of the “ports.” It was enormous and so impressive. DisneySea also had some great rides (loved Journey to the Center of the Earth), but my favorite park for rides is still probably CA Adventure. [Aside: It’s hard to beat Guardians of the Galaxy, Soaring over CA, Grizzly River Run, and IncrediCoaster all in one park. Three of those are some of my favorite Disney rides. My favorite ride is probably FOP with Shanghai Pirates and Tron not far behind.]

Here's the ship at DisneySea:
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Tokyo Disneyland Hotel:
If you’ve been to the Disneyland Hotel in Anaheim, the Tokyo Disneyland hotel is pretty much in the same ballpark. In other words, you are paying for location. It’s even closer though—more like the Disneyland Hotel in Paris. You literally walk outside go past the monorail and you are at the gates. The Mira Costa, located 2 monorail stops away at DisneySea is much more impressive looking and right at the park (more like CA Adventure). We walked through the lobby, and I was bummed we weren’t staying there.

The included buffet breakfast at the hotel was easily the worst of the trip. I couldn’t even find cereal the second day. They’d had sugared corn flakes out (presumably for the kids) the first day, but they claimed they didn’t have them anymore the second. The fruit wasn’t appetizing looking and the eggs … ☹ The coffee was what my husband calls “the coffee flavored beverage” that they have on the cruise ships. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the same. The pork dim sum was good, but it was heavy. It was also the first time we had to wait to be seated for breakfast. The first day took about 10 minutes, which isn’t great when you are trying to eat quickly and hit the parks. With the amount we were paying for our package, I was bummed that at least the included meal wasn’t decent.

Photo op at the back of the hotel;
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The Package:
With our package we got 2 nights accommodation, tickets (park hoppers for all three days) breakfast, a lanyard, a small gift (tote bag or small keychain type stuffed mickey or Minnie), 15 Fastpasses each, and airport transfers. 3 of the 15 included FPs were good on any ride and the rest had a few of the popular rides blocked out. The 3 “any ride” fastpasses turned out to be key as we arrived two days after the new Soaring opened and the lines for that were crazy. We ended up riding it twice. It’s the same ride as Disneyland, but the theming is totally different. I really liked it. Not as much as Soaring over CA (which I think is far superior to the horribly slanted/photo-shopped Soaring over the World), but it was fun seeing Tokyo at the end when you are in Tokyo.

I knew when I booked the ABD package park add-on that it was a rip off, but the whole process of booking Tokyo Disneyland packages at 6 months out was so anxiety provoking that I didn’t want to take the chance. I probably should have taken the chance. The FPs were great, and I loved our transfer guy, but it was a huge premium.

The guides traveled with us from the Peninsula to the Disneyland Hotel, but basically they just hand you the package of materials with your tickets, etc., give a short explanation, and send you on your way. After that, you are on your own.

We arrived at DL in time for opening—the first time we’ve made rope drop since Backstage Magic, LOL—but you are only given the “Happy 15” (which gives you a 15-minute jump on the rest of the crowds), starting the day after you arrive. I initially thought this was a bummer, but when we did try it out, we found it overrated. The Happy 15 gets you in early to grab fastpasses. None of the actual rides were operating early that we could see. With our included FPs, it turned out that we really didn’t need to worry about getting there early so we slept in a little ☺

Park before opening:
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Although it doesn't look like it from above, we had lighter than expected crowds on Wednesday and pretty much hit all the rides we wanted to hit in DL by 5 pm. As hoppers came with our package (which I think is different from normal multi-day tickets), and we were anxious to hit park #12, we headed over to DisneySea for the evening. We basically walked on most of the rides in Mysterious Island (our favorite part of Disney Sea). We loved Journey to the Center of the Earth and really liked 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. I remember the old version from DW, which was great on the nostalgia factor. It was also the home of a great counter serve (Vulcania) and a “must do” snack: the gyoza dog. More on food in next section.

The crowds grew as the week went on, but it wasn’t as packed as I expected. Nothing like being at DW or DL on Christmas/New Years. The weather was good—sunny and hot but not unbearably humid—so not sure if we just lucked out, but I’d heard it can be crazy packed. Although after having experienced Shanghai Disney on the 1-year anniversary (@sayhello will remember that), I’ve got a pretty high bar of “crowded”.

We rode a ton of rides over the next few days. With the combo of the FPs and some short walk on lines, we didn’t have any problem hitting every ride we wanted with some multiple times. I think we rode Journey 5-6 times. There were only a couple rides that we didn't do (carousel and a couple dark rides at DL that we’d been on too recently).

This was our fourth trip to Disney parks in a 8 weeks (long story—but went to SWGE twice at DL and DL Paris a few weeks before Japan), so we might not have been as wowed by some of the rides as we would have been otherwise, but it didn’t seem that there was all that much that was different. Monsters and Pooh were slightly different (better) and really cute, Tower of Terror, Indy, and Soaring were basically the same rides with different theming, but other than Journey and Leagues nothing really stuck out. Maybe Nemo and Friends Sea Rider? That was fun and different, but not really a ride. The line was also not great even with the “any ride” fastpass. Sinbad and Storybook were both not working when we were there, which was a bummer.

Don’t get me wrong, they are great parks, and the theming is absolutely amazing, but the rides themselves aren’t that different. Nor was there a FOP, Tron, Guardians, or Shanghai type Pirates E-ticket ride that really stood out. This was kind of a positive for us though as it gave us time to slow down and enjoy the fantastic theming and enjoy some of the restaurants, lounges and snacks. We loved DisneySea especially—such a cool park, and I’d love to go back there soon.

Food in next post ...
 
We only ate at Wakon. My teen helped babysit our younger 2 kids, so we didn't want to be too far from the hotel. It's still my goal to eat at Jiro (as any good sushi lover), and if you have the opportunity you should go. My understanding is the chef at Wakon apprenticed with Jiro for years. So, Wakon's style and overall presentation and quality should be similar to Jiro's. Are there differences in the quality of the fish? I would have assumed not. Wakon is no doubt aiming for a couple of Michelin stars (like its sister restaurant in Kyoto) and trying to make its mark in a competitive omakase market. Many of the dishes between Jiro and Wakon are the same cut of fish. I recognized about 2/3 of them (like otoro and kinmedai), and they were the same top quality fish that other omakase restaurants feature - the best of the best. About 1/3 of the fish, I had never heard of before. I'm sure the Peninsula is buying the best fish they can get their hands on. In my experience comparing it to top omakase in the Houston and New York, the sushi was very good. Some pieces I thought were better than I've had in the US, and some I prefer US restaurants' more creative twist on a very traditional art form of preparing nigiri. The majority of what we were served was nigiri. I think we were served one roll. One fish was cooked, because it was brought out from the kitchen. I think the rest was nigiri. Probably 20 pieces? If you're a foodie and sushi lover, Wakon is a special experience. Probably only topped by Jiro.

I'll say I liked that Wakon was a little relaxed and less formal than I feared. I felt like I could ask the chef questions and joke with the server a little. I also thought it was cool that many of the dishes were served on antique plates like 200-300 yrs old! I assume that's Peninsula money at play. (Again, I think the Peninsula is buying the best fish they can get their hands on). Overall it was a great experience. However the price is not cheap. We did Kobe in Kyoto/Gion and Osaka. I want to say Wakon was more expensive. With a bottle of wine and a couple of extra pieces of sushi after the set meal ("please sir, can I have some more?") it was a little under a $1000 for 2. But IMO worth it. Some of the best sushi anywhere, and a great Tokyo experience.

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Great pics! I think we had the same chef! I was so trained after Jiro where you can't take pictures that I didn't even think about it.
We did enjoy a few pieces more at Jiro of the same fish, but whether that was prep (some were cooked and/or had sauces) or quality I don't know. I would assume Jiro gets the first pick at the fish market, but who knows how it works. Like I said, splitting hairs. But since I wasn't the only one and we all pretty much said the same thing separately, I think there was something to it. The pics bring back yummy memories though!!

just fyi, the noodles you had shown on your 2-4 day pic wasn't soba, it was udon. Soba is actually buckwheat noodles which are dark in color as well as thinner & firmer than udon. Even the sign at the establishment says "Udon" in hiragana characters. I love udon (now as an adult) but still not a big fan of soba. Just thought I'd lyk.

and Okonomiyaki??? LOVE IT!! Luckily, there are a few restaurants here in Hawaii that do a good job of it, but the best were the ones I had in Japan over 20 years ago.

Everyone's trip reports about this ABD adventure make me smile because Japan is really great! I still have a lot of traveling in Europe to do before heading back to Japan, tho.
Oops. Thanks for correcting the mistake. I know the difference, but was probably just typing too fast. I got it right at the next one we went to in the report, LOL. I'm actually not a huge fan of soba either. I'll eat it, but it's not my fave. Yay!! So glad I have another Okonomiyaki fan. I LOVED that.
 
Food:
I wasn’t sure what to expect with the Japan Parks food—we weren’t wowed by Shanghai and Paris was horrible, but we found the Tokyo Parks to be a few notches above typical theme park fare and better yet … things were reasonably priced.

We stuck with noodles and had great counter serve meals at Vulcania (twice) in TokyoSea that had very yummy wanton soup, dim sum, fried rice, and cold ramen type noodles along with other dishes. We also ate at China Voyager in Disneyland Park, which had a really good chicken ramen dish.

I knew @CousinOrville and others had talked about Magellan’s in DisneySea, but it’s only bookable ahead of time on the Japanese site. Google translate let me down so had to wait until we arrived to try to get a reservation. I asked the hotel to try to book us, but they said they couldn’t, and we had to go to the actual restaurant at 10 am to see if there were any day-of reservations. Fortunately, we were able to get lunch reservations on our second day. The theming is reputed to be the best of any restaurant in Disney, and it was amazing. I’d read a few blogs so I knew about the “secret” room. We were seated in there, and really enjoyed it. The meal was really nice, but it was the theming and ambiance that really stuck out for us.

The partially opened doors for the secret room.
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Inside the secret room:
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Perhaps my favorite dining space though was in the big ship. I’d read about the Teddy Roosevelt Lounge, which is located inside, and it was awesome. So cool! We had before dinner drinks, but had we not been anxious to hit the rides, we probably should have stayed for dinner. They gave us one of the best seats in the house right in front of the fireplace, and I could have sat there for hours. So definitely put it on the list.

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Not a great pic of DS, but this is the best I took--the lighting was difficult inside.
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Snacks are a big thing at the Tokyo Parks, and we made sure to try some of the big ones like the different popcorn flavors (we tried honey, chocolate, and strawberry), frozen popcorn (carmel and strawberry) the Mike melon pan that I already have pictured, the little alien dumplings, and the gyoza dog. We enjoyed all of them, but the strawberry popcorn, the chocolate popcorn, and the frozen popcorn were all standouts. We aren’t normally popcorn eaters, but they were really good.☺

Frozen strawberry and carmel popcorn ... who knew?
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The alien things--DD said they were okay. They had cold custard inside.
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We had a great time at the parks, and I would love to go back and stay at the Mira Costa. I thought two nights with almost three full days was a good amount of time.

It was such a beautiful day when we left, it was so hard to leave. But we'll be back!
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The question is whether the ABD add-on was “worth it.” It is way more expensive than essentially booking the same thing on your own so in that way it’s a rip off, but I think the FPs that come with the packages (either ABD or on your own) were absolutely key. We used almost all of ours and only had a couple to give away before we left to very happy parkgoers. If possible, I would go for the package yourself at 6 months out. If you get it, great. If no, maybe add the Disney package? The problem is that I supposed ABD add-on could be sold out. If you want to be sure and book ahead, maybe the penalty to drop would after you secure reservations on your own would be worth it?

But what I would really like to see is Disney incorporate Tokyo Disney into the actual Japan ABD a la the China ABD. With the dearth of activities in Tokyo, it would be easy to do a Disney day at the parks. It’s literally a 20 minute train ride from Tokyo Station near the hotel.

Maybe when the bookings ease as the itinerary loses its newness they will consider it. IMO there is no reason they can’t copy the day at Shanghai Disney that they do on the China ABD: head to parks, get some FPs, have a great farewell dinner at Club 33 (or Magellan's secret room). I’m sure it’s much more profitable to do it the way they are doing, but I suspect there will be a point where they need to add value. This would be a great way.

I hope to have the last post up tomorrow--I need to get back to work, LOL. Thanks to all for following along and the great comments/questions.
 
Thanks Califgirl! I know your from Cali so this might be tough to answer. As I mentioned, we love Hawaii and being from the far east coast of USA it is a pretty decent haul. I am torn between ending my trip in Disneyland Tokyo or going to Okinawa to stay at my beloved Halekulani Hotel.

That is a tough opinion for you to give I am sure but do you think you would have preferred a relaxing end to your trip at a resort type beach or the theme park? I should add getting to OKinawa will involve a short plane ride...

Thanks so much. I love your candor. You write like I do and give honest thoughts. Thanks!
 
Great pics! I think we had the same chef! I was so trained after Jiro where you can't take pictures that I didn't even think about it.
We did enjoy a few pieces more at Jiro of the same fish, but whether that was prep (some were cooked and/or had sauces) or quality I don't know. I would assume Jiro gets the first pick at the fish market, but who knows how it works. Like I said, splitting hairs. But since I wasn't the only one and we all pretty much said the same thing separately, I think there was something to it. The pics bring back yummy memories though!!

I would guess Jiro gets first pick as well. So, did Jiro use different sauces on different fish? Wakon used the same sauce for just about all nigiri. Very simple. Very traditional I think. The US omakase restaurants I’ve eaten at all seemed to have a more creative approach to the prep. It’s still simple nigiri, but it might be topped with a different sauce and a piece of lime zest or something. Nothing that takes away anything from the fish, but just gives it an interesting twist. Wakon had none of that. It seemed highly traditional. I’d love to try Jiro and maybe another top sushi place the next time it’s just me and Kate in Tokyo just to see how different it is between these top spots. Sadly, it probably won’t be soon enough to see Jiro himself. I don’t know how much longer he’ll be there. We had a guest eat there with him as well. If anyone is going to Japan and has the opportunity to eat at Jiro, I would try. Also was the pace different between Jiro and Wakon? The other guest made it sound like the pace at Jiro was faster than Wakon. I think our dinner at Wakon was an hour and a half. Not sure. He made it sound like Jiro was 30 min! Yeah, Kate took the photos. I wouldn't have even asked assuming formality, but she asked and they had no problem. We also dined alone. There were no other guests. So, that might have been why they were more relaxed. The restaurant had opened a couple weeks before. Not sure what that means. In Houston it would be booked solid for months.
 
Perhaps my favorite dining space though was in the big ship. I’d read about the Teddy Roosevelt Lounge, which is located inside, and it was awesome.

We ate at the same table at the Roosevelt lounge! It was very good. They could have used a few more food items on their menu, but it was good. Magellan’s was my favorite in park restaurant. I also liked the pizza at the Italian sit down restaurant in the Venice section. Magellan’s is infamous for being difficult to get a reservation. So, I think there’s excitement in just getting to eat there. It’s like a Disney Parks right of passage. I agree the theming was more impressive than the food. Although the food was good. In general though, I wasn’t overly impressed with the food in TDR. On the whole it was just ok. I think I preferred the food at SDL and probably even HKDL better. I did like the Chinese restaurant in Miracosta. I thought that was very good. Next time we’ll try the other restaurant in Miracosta. We always woke up too late to go to our package included breakfast buffet but had heard it wasn’t very good. I think @*WDW*Groupie* had mentioned that to me the buffet was disappointing.
 

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