The Running Thread - 2019

July totals
Miles: 49.3
Cross Training time: 16:16:50
Total time: 22:28:49

Half of my miles this month were completed in other ways such as cycling, elliptical, and swimming. My knee is better and I have started easing back into running. ODS has accompanied me on quite a few run/walks this month even if for just part. He earned his Ironman medal but it was painful...for both of us. He swears he wants to earn the Black Panther medal but I am doubtful it will be a pleasant 3 miles 🙄
 
July totals
Miles: 100.25
Hours: 16:58
Average pace: 10:23/mile
Average heart rate: 154


My Garmin has been having difficulty on my treadmill runs recently - putting me 1-1.5 minutes per mile slower than what I am actually running, so my total miles are really slightly higher (around 101-102) and my average pace should be a few seconds faster. Not sure why it is been having a tough time these last few runs - usually it is right on when I'm at slower paces, and only has difficulty when I do strides in the 7.0-9.0 range.
 
42 miles in July. The good news is that it is my best month as far as mileage since I started running back in March. The bad news is I haven’t run in the past couple weeks due to a tendinitis flare-up. Will probably be out another week or two. In the meantime I’m focusing on strength training and keeping my eating in check. I think I officially feel like a runner now because I’m super annoyed that I’m sidelined for a bit.
 
July:

Total miles: 215.20
Pace: 8:40/mile

This is a big improvement over my June total of 43.9 (and 5-6 of those were really just walking fast). My pace is very, very slow. Right now I can have higher mileage or faster pace--not both. I am choosing the miles. Pace is working its way down, but it isn't easy. All my kids' activities have started up, so I seem to be doing shorter runs twice a day because I have time to kill.
 
That's a major positive in my book. When I faced important decisions as an adult, I knew I could turn to my parents. Not because they were my parents, but instead because they both showed me with their actions how much we mattered to them. Those missed runs are major deposits into your future relationship with the kiddo when they're no longer a kiddo.
Thank you for the affirmation.
I keep reminding myself that I have years of running if I want to. I do not have years of making captain marvel suits from paper bags. I also keep reminding myself that while it looks like there are people who can do it all, that is false.
 
July was a tough training month from an environmental standpoint. A significant percentage of my runs were done at T+Ds in the mid to upper 160s. I find that there's a cutoff point right around T+D=150 where things transition from bearable to miserable and most of July fell into the latter category. That being said, there were some pretty good positives in these numbers:

July Totals
Distance: 150.28 miles
Time: 27:37:46
Average pace: 11:07/mile
Average heart rate: 150 bpm

July was the first month since November, 2017 that I've crossed the 150 mile threshold. My legs are feeling it right now, but my intention was to build a better base and introduce more tempo runs prior to starting my Space Coast Marathon training plan next week. Now I just have to decide on the pacing structure for that plan. The average pace is down a bit from where I would like it, but a large part of that is due to intentionally slowing down to accommodate the high T+Ds. Reintroduction of the tempo runs went reasonably well, but I ended up converting a fair number of them to long or EB runs. When the T+D gets past 156 or so, I just don't feel safe pushing tempo paces. At any rate, nothing has blown up in my legs after 3 months of 5 days/week running, so fingers crossed as I head into formal training this month!
 
July:
Running: 31.5 mi
Walking: 36 mi

I took over a week off from running due to hip pain. I had a pity party thinking that I wouldn't be able to run anymore this pregnancy, but thankfully some rest, ice and change of sleeping position helped. My running has definitely shortened to 2.5-3 mi/run, but I'm thankful to do anything!
 
July Running totals

Distance: 130.24 miles
Avg. Pace: 9:40
Elevation: 2,877 ft

Total miles for 2019: 712

July was a good month for me considering I juggled the heat, humidity and thunderstorms in Virginia AND the 110+ heat in Phoenix during vacation and still took a week off for hiking and relaxing. During Vacation in Utah & Arizona, I managed to squeeze in a "Forest Gump"
inspired run at Monument Valley, and another at Lake Powell the next morning. Beautiful places to run and visit. Also did family hikes at Rainbow Bridge, Horseshoe Bend, Antelope Canyon, and Pinnacle Peak (in PHX). Monument Valley.jpgMonument Valley 2.jpgAntelope Canyon.jpg

Monument Valley (AZ/UT border)
Antelope Canyon (on the right)
 
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My cousin ran a new high distance and time for herself yesterday of 7 miles in 1:38. She was telling me that her max seems to be 6.4, since she pretty much died the last .6 miles. I asked her about what did she take for nutrition and hydration (Summer in Houston) and she gave me a blank face about nutrition. Said she ate her normal pre-run thing and went out. So I guessed that she pretty much bonked and gave her some pointers on the finer runners nutritional items like Gu.

So for today's QOTD: How did you figure out you needed some nutrition on longer runs? Advice from others, self-learning from bonking, etc? Did you do much testing of different types of nutrition? Gu/other Gels/sports bean/liquid?

ATTQOTD: For myself, I went to a local sporting goods store and started looking at the different items and bought one of several different kinds and different flavors. I did not try liquid nutrition until a couple years later, and still usually just use liquid before I do a second run of a day, or on a relay race. Not during runs.

Sports beans still confuse me. How many do I really need at one time? One bean ever so often, several. A whole bag during a really long run?

I have mainly settled on SIS gels or e-gels for my long runs. SIS is good, but the packets are too flipping big to carry many of them on a long run (and they say one ever 20 minutes, so a marathon would be 12-15 of those suckers!). I like the thinner consistency of those compared to GU....
 
My cousin ran a new high distance and time for herself yesterday of 7 miles in 1:38. She was telling me that her max seems to be 6.4, since she pretty much died the last .6 miles. I asked her about what did she take for nutrition and hydration (Summer in Houston) and she gave me a blank face about nutrition. Said she ate her normal pre-run thing and went out. So I guessed that she pretty much bonked and gave her some pointers on the finer runners nutritional items like Gu.

So for today's QOTD: How did you figure out you needed some nutrition on longer runs? Advice from others, self-learning from bonking, etc? Did you do much testing of different types of nutrition? Gu/other Gels/sports bean/liquid?

ATTQOTD: For myself, I went to a local sporting goods store and started looking at the different items and bought one of several different kinds and different flavors. I did not try liquid nutrition until a couple years later, and still usually just use liquid before I do a second run of a day, or on a relay race. Not during runs.

Sports beans still confuse me. How many do I really need at one time? One bean ever so often, several. A whole bag during a really long run?

I have mainly settled on SIS gels or e-gels for my long runs. SIS is good, but the packets are too flipping big to carry many of them on a long run (and they say one ever 20 minutes, so a marathon would be 12-15 of those suckers!). I like the thinner consistency of those compared to GU....

Seems like 6.4 miles is awfully short to be requiring nutrition. Hydration, absolutely can be an issue here in the summer time, but the plans I've used don't typically call for any nutrition training until runs get up over 11 miles or beyond 100-110 minutes. Even then, it's more of a training thing getting the body used to taking in carbs than a complete depletion/hitting the wall at that point. Maybe she's just not ready for that distance at that pace and needs more aerobic base?
 
Seems like 6.4 miles is awfully short to be requiring nutrition. Hydration, absolutely can be an issue here in the summer time, but the plans I've used don't typically call for any nutrition training until runs get up over 11 miles or beyond 100-110 minutes. Even then, it's more of a training thing getting the body used to taking in carbs than a complete depletion/hitting the wall at that point. Maybe she's just not ready for that distance at that pace and needs more aerobic base?

I agree that she was probably not ready for that distance, and she picked a bad day in Houston to try to go that long, very humid.

She wants to do a half by April and since we was out close over 90 minutes for that distance, I was trying to make her aware of nutrition and the needs of such for even longer runs.
 
So for today's QOTD: How did you figure out you needed some nutrition on longer runs? Advice from others, self-learning from bonking, etc? Did you do much testing of different types of nutrition? Gu/other Gels/sports bean/liquid?
ATTQOTD: I have chronic hypoglycemia - low blood-sugar. As in, I can eat a bagel and coffee with milk and sugar and 30 minutes later test around 75-80. Fasting, it's been in the dangerously low arena (so I don't do fasting tests anymore.) So when running, I'm already starting lower than most, which means I have to be really careful to keep the glucose coming. I know this from a lifetime of going too low and suffering greatly! I've tested a bunch of stuff for long runs and have found that gels work well and are the smallest, most convenient things to carry, which matters since I need so much for a 6-7 hour marathon. I have tried pretzels, Fig Newtons, Honey Stinger waffles, Uncrustables - really, anything works fine with my system, but real food is bulky and harder to carry, so I just go with gels. GU is my preference, every 45 minutes, even if it seems silly to take a gel with less than a mile to go. Because I skipped it at mile 12.5ish of a half once, finished, got my medal, found some friends, got to chatting... and suddenly crashed HARD. I was very lucky to be with someone familiar with the signs and got glucose in me STAT. Lesson learned: I do. not. skip. fuelings.

ETA: And yes, I absolutely fuel for a 6-miler. I am not fast and a 10K takes longer than an hour. Fuel every 45 minutes, regardless of distance, keeps me from crashing.
 
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ATTQOTD:
The first half marathon I trained for, I had joined a running group through a local running store. I think I heard someone mention something about nutrition. I had had no idea people ate anything during runs at that point! I probably would have been that blank stare person. :) I think I started out with Shot Blocks or the Gatorade Chews. I’ve used sport beans and Gu gels and peanut butter pretzels and Honeystinger chews and Waffles. I think I’ve tried a lot of things and for the most part nothing has seemed to cause a problem. I pretty much stick to Gu Chews and Endurolyte Extremes right now, but I’m always open to trying something new. Per my @DopeyBadger instructions I don’t take nutrition unless the run will be longer than 90 minutes. If the run is over 90 minutes, nutrition is started at the beginning of the run. If it’s hot, I will take Electrolytes for any run.
 
So for today's QOTD: How did you figure out you needed some nutrition on longer runs? Advice from others, self-learning from bonking, etc? Did you do much testing of different types of nutrition? Gu/other Gels/sports bean/liquid?

My first race in October 2012 was a marathon. I had read on the internet to train with what the course was providing. So I went out and bought some tubs of Powerbar powder. Trained with it for the few weeks leading up to the race, and then used it on the course. They diluted it far more on the course then I was in training, so I got far less from it. So then I moved to finding my own sources to carry.

I tried carrying Powerbar powder in conicals and mixing my own liquid nutrition on course. I was wearing a running belt with 4 10oz bottles. But mixing while running ended up not being that easy and super messy.

Then I tried to do just water in the bottles and use gels instead. I tried a few varieties and based on a suggestion from McFlurry John I went with E-gel. That product seemed to check all the boxes for me. Multiple carb source. High carb content per packet. Included a sufficient amount of electrolytes.

Over the years I've tweaked the nutrition based on the research I've read. And later based on several sources of research developed a calculator that helps determine carb consumption rates both for loading and in-race. The calculator uses gender, weight, current estimated VO2max, goal pace, and normal caloric intake to calculate some recommendations. The data on men's vs women's needs for pre-race carb loading was fascinating. The calculator is certainly not a one size fits all, but more of a general idea recommendation. It's a good starting place to work from and then test in training whether you need more or less.

Right now, I use the Western Australia Carb loading procedure in the days prior to the marathon. I've used E-Fuel and Maurten for that. Maurten's dilution was 4.7 g carb/oz whereas E-Fuel was 2.0 g carb/oz which put the liquid burden of Maurten far less for the same carb content. But after completing the protocol several times over the years, my newest concern is whether the sheer volume of liquid consumed is diluting out my electrolyte balance in the day prior. So I'm testing out SIS Beta Fuel this time around as my carb loading product. Also a 4.7g carb/oz like Maurten, but SIS Beta Fuel contains Na, K, Mg, and Ca (where Maurten only has Na). Then I'm planning on drinking liquid IV in the days proceeding/morning of the races to make sure my electrolyte balance stays in tact. Then, I'll take 17oz of SIS Beta Fuel about 10-15 min prior to the race start. Then, I've been playing around with a super concentrated form of Tailwind at 1 scoop per 1 oz to dramatically increase my electrolyte intake while racing but minimizing the bulk of carrying something. I'll balance the Tailwind with my tried and true E-gels. I haven't actually followed through with this strategy yet, but I plan to start practicing it on all my long runs over 110 minutes.
 

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