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Any CIP close to an anniversary where you can downgrade? That’d be the easiest/best of both worlds if timelines can match up.

Another thought is getting an amex Simply Cash Back Business as well for 5x back from office stores.

Either decision is fine. Personally, I’d go for Hilton. But if you aren’t planning on being at a Hilton in the next year, then I wouldn’t.
I asked Dh what he thinks, but he'll be busy for awhile. His credit score has gone down quite a bit recently because he's been opening cards (while mine has gone up lol) so I know that might worry him about opening another card in his name.

We can always stay at the Hiltons by Disney Springs when we go to WDW. I don't mind staying at those since we can stay on points. We started driving ourselves to the parks anyway.

We don't have any CIPs close to the anniversary that we could downgrade. We closed the ones that hit one year and the oldest one was opened in April of this year. Do you have to wait until it's close to the anniversary to downgrade?
 
Sooo… I opened DHs Chase accounts on 4/14 for the bonus. We just barely made the 20 biz days to get the $15k in savings on 5/13. I was expecting his bonus to post 8/13, the Tuesday after 90 days of having a $15k balance... but it posted two days ago, which is the 2nd Tuesday after 90 days from account opening... :confused3 Will probably let the $15k sit another two weeks just to be safe.
 
So if I'm understanding you correctly, the cash price of a United flight is $338. Let's just go with that number.

If you're looking at this flight from the Chase UR portal, and you have UR points, the amount of UR points it'll cost will depend on which card you're logged into the portal with and which card you use to redeem your UR. That's because the CIP and CSP give you a 25% bonus (or 1.25x multiplier) on the value of your UR points, and the CSR gives you a 50% bonus (or 1.5x multiplier).

So a flight that costs $338 in cash will cost you:

$338/0.015 = ~22,533 UR on the CSR

or

$338/0.0125 = 27,040 UR on the CIP or CSP

UR points transfer to United miles 1:1. So if this same flight costs 37,000 United miles as an award seat, you'll need to transfer 37,000 UR to United to book the same flight that you could book on the Chase portal for as little as 22,533 UR. So obviously in the case, booking through the Chase portal wins.

But one more thing, because booking on the Chase portal acts like paying cash through a OTA (online travel agent), your United ticket purchased with UR points will earn you award miles on United. If you transferred UR to United, then used the United miles to book the flight, it would be considered an award flight that doesn't earn any miles. I know we're probably talking about a relatively small amount of miles here, but every little bit counts.

And one final thing, booking with UR gets you the travel protections of the card you're redeeming from.
I haven’t used an URs yet either. So, would that be the same for JetBlue? If I wanted to book a flight it would be better to do it through UR rather than transfer points to JetBlue?
 
Do you have to wait until it's close to the anniversary to downgrade?
Yes. Even if you could, it wouldn’t be worth the potential upsetting of chase.

so I know that might worry him about opening another card in his name.
Does he have another AMEX? If so, then it won’t affect his credit at all. No hard pull and the card won’t show up on his credit report.
 


Yes. Even if you could, it wouldn’t be worth the potential upsetting of chase.


Does he have another AMEX? If so, then it won’t affect his credit at all. No hard pull and the card won’t show up on his credit report.
So I guess we won't be downgrading to the CIC. Dh has the Hilton Honors credit card that has no AF.
 
Hilton business now showing up as 130k + Free Night Certificate via referral.

So for those who listened to me and @Lain and were patient ;), I’d grab this card now for sure P1–>P2 or find a partner to swap referrals.

Preemptively answers:
-Is AMEX hard to get a business card for if I only have a “business”?
If you have a pulse, you should be fine.
-Does this do a hard pull?
If you’re in this game, who cares about pulls. But no, if you have an existing AMEX, then it will most likely not do a hard pull.
I might be interested in going for this .I have 2 personal Amex cards , no business Amex. Can I generate a referral through one of them?
 
Hilton business now showing up as 130k + Free Night Certificate via referral.

So for those who listened to me and @Lain and were patient ;), I’d grab this card now for sure P1–>P2 or find a partner to swap referrals.

Preemptively answers:
-Is AMEX hard to get a business card for if I only have a “business”?
If you have a pulse, you should be fine.
-Does this do a hard pull?
If you’re in this game, who cares about pulls. But no, if you have an existing AMEX, then it will most likely not do a hard pull.

SWEET! Just yesterday I was checking to see if this offer was available through a "support link" and it wasn't. How quickly this game changes.

Got one for DH through my Biz Gold link.
 


Hi! Ok Swagbucks ignorance here. I believe I signed up for an account using a support link then life got in the way and I haven’t used it or learned much about it. Someone please explain why everyone is buying ... Swagbucks? Thank you in advance.
 
Depends. If they are Hilton or a MR earning card, yes. If not, no.


8/28
Ah okay thanks. I guess I need to talk to Dh when he gets home tonight. He's been kind of stressed lately doing a security training at work and has a big test tomorrow over the info.
 
I haven’t used an URs yet either. So, would that be the same for JetBlue? If I wanted to book a flight it would be better to do it through UR rather than transfer points to JetBlue?

With JB it's actually often better to transfer URs to JB. It really depends on the flight and whether you have a CSP or CSR. I do not have a CSR, so often it works out better for me to transfer URs to JB and book that way. It may work out better to book some JB flights directly through Chase with URs if you have a CSR though.
 
Hi! Ok Swagbucks ignorance here. I believe I signed up for an account using a support link then life got in the way and I haven’t used it or learned much about it. Someone please explain why everyone is buying ... Swagbucks? Thank you in advance.
Couch MS! lol

Some people are liquidating VGCs this way, since you can cash out for Paypal. Or earn points/spend towards MSR on a credit card.

Swagbucks also has a daily goal and if you meet it you get a bonus. There are two levels to the daily goal, they fluctuate each day and are somewhat based on prior earnings. The goal you meet is the bonus you get, so if you meet the second level you only get the second level bonus. Bonuses are paid out in a lump sum around the beginning of the following month. There are also bonuses if you meet your goal X days in a row that will be part of that bonus payout.

Also, if you refer Plane Princess you will get 10% of his earnings on most things, and this counts. So you would earn an additional 10% for each purchase you make through his account... these swagbucks do not count towards your daily goal though.

IE I am maxing DH and I's accounts out at 8000sb each (4 purchases). So $160 spent, we each will get $80 in swagbucks. Then I will get $8 for referring DHs accounts. And our daily goals are 163 and 280, so we will get that at the beginning of next month. So $160 (going towards MSR on our CIPs) will get us $172.43 in swagbucks.
 
Uhhhhh…. I SM'd Barclay yesterday since I didn't get the 10k AA miles for the employee card purchase. I got an email this morning that it was answered but when I log in it tells me I have no messages? :confused:


ETA: Ok, I found it, They marked it completed and told me I had to call... with the generic call message. :badpc:
 
Ok, I'll take a go at this! Just my 2cents. :flower1:

1. I personally find a CF to be more useful to me than an CFU just because of the 5x categories. Maxing out one quarter gives me 7500 URs on $1500 spend, whereas I'd have to spend $5000 to get the same 7500 URs on the CFU (the $3500 difference in spend is close to a whole 'nother MSR!). Sometimes the 5x categories are pretty lame (like the current one IMHO), but on the whole I use the CF more (I have 2 of them where 1 was a pc from CSP; DH has 1 CF, and 1 CFU which was a pc from CSP). As you can see, I've pc'd our CSPs into one of each, haha! Doesn't the CFU have a $100 support bonus though? However that's probably only relevant if you're thinking of getting one for yourself, and from the sounds of it that's not in your near future. My vote is CF.

2. If your DH doesn't get the 100K Plat offer, or the 75K incognito Plat offer, my vote goes to the personal Amex Gold card available with a 50K MR/$2K MSR SUB via support link. 4x restaurants, 4x grocery stores ($25K cap), 3x airlines, $100 airline incidental credit, $10/mo. dining credit. $250 AF with no foreign transaction fees. I think of all the MR cards I manage including DH's (BBP, Biz Plat, Biz Gold, Biz Green, vanilla Plat, Gold) the Gold has the best Amex offers. The sad thing about it is no Centurion lounge access.

3. I'm hesitant about the CIP2 or CIC given your heavy Chase activity in the past 12 months. Even though the biz cards don't count toward your 5/24, Chase is fully aware that you've opened 5 Chase cards in the past 12 months. By Sept 1 you'll still be at 5 in 12. Some others might pipe in with their opinions on your Chase velocity. Those last 40K URs seem tantalizingly close, but I don't think I'd personally feel comfortable going for another Chase card now. I'll also just mention that if you anticipate using the CSR's travel protection, it helps to have some paid on the CSR card that shows up on a billing statement when you make a claim, so there is a positive aspect to you paying some OOP for your tickets. There is a really good write up about that recently at https://milenomics.com/2019/07/using-chase-sapphire-reserve-travel-insurance-benefits-in-real-life/

I'm not sure what to say about the AA Biz mailer, only because whatever the SUB is, it's probably not sufficient to get you overseas flights depending on your goals. If you have a use in mind for the AA miles then I think it's a good way to spend some MSR while letting your Chase accounts season longer.
Thanks! I was leaning toward the CF, too. I took another look the Amex Gold and it looks like a really good option for dh's day-to-day normal spending. I appreciate your answers :)
Ah, you are going in the opposite direction we did. We did Sydney, Brisbane (the Gold Coast along with Coffs Harbour also), Cairns and the Daintree Rainforest when we went for our honeymoon. I can’t wait to take DS in the next couple of years. It’s just figuring out when since I really don’t want to go during their winter again. (We were there in July and Sydney was a bit a cool but the wine country outside Sydney was down right cold and we checked out of our hotel early because the room was freezing!)
We did Melbourne, Sydney, Canberra and Cairns (day trips to the reef and also to the Daintree Rainforest which was amazing) and NZ, but it was our winter, their summer. Sydney was sometimes warm sometimes hot but beautiful, NZ was not really all that warm, and Cairns was pretty hot and humid. We were in Sydney for xmas, NYE, and Boxing Day. I'd love to go back some day! :cloud9:
It looks like we're going to be unusual Australia travelers. We'll be going to Sydney, an island on the southern part of the Great Barrier Reef, and Uluru. And then we'll be going to Perth and to the national parks north of Perth, to be completely different :laughing:
I totally agree on the AF being high, especially since Amex makes it so hard to get the travel credits out, unlike the CSR card. It would get your DH into the lounge, though. If you can pull the 100K offer I think it's worth it. 75 isn't awful either. I agree with the PP about the Gold being the next best thing. That card makes it so easy for me to get points since it gives 4x on groceries and dining. I use it more than my plat these days.
The lounge part is what's getting me stuck :rotfl:We fly to SMF to visit my aunties/cousins---those new Escape Lounges and no PP. Dh flies to MSP for work once or twice a year---Escape Lounges. We fly out of PHL---Centurion Lounge.

I was going to circle back when I found a little more time, but it seems @platamama already gave you fantastic advice!

1. I totally agree with the CF over CFU. The CFU's 1.5x UR is almost useless to me because I almost always have VGCs or MCGCs purchased at 4x MR or 5x UR for non-bonus category spend. The CF's 5x/5% bonus is great when the categories are great. There are sure to be useful categories like Q1 2019 with drug stores, which sells gift and prepaid cards; Q2 2019 had grocery and home improvement stores, which also sell gift and prepaid cards. And not so great categories, like Q3 2019 -- I just don't pump that much gas! I think last year had mobile wallets in Q1; grocery stores, PayPal, and Chase Pay in Q2; and wholesale clubs and Chase Pay again in Q4. If I can max out one good quarter's bonus category at 5x UR ($1,500 x 5x = 7,500 UR), that's likely more than I'd get from spending on the CIU for the entire year (because I don't see myself putting $5,000 x 1.5x = 7,500 UR).

2. I also tend to agree with @platamama that if DH cannot get the 100k MR Platicorn offer, consider going with the personal Amex Gold.

The 100k MR Platicorn is like, if you see it, you'd better apply for it now or else you may never see it again. The Plat at a 75k MR incognito offer is still a good bonus, but it's one that should be fairly easy to pull up at anytime, so there's really no rush to apply for it unless you can see how you'll be utilizing its benefits over the next year.

With the recent changes to the annual $200 airline fee credit, making it much harder to use, the cost proposition becomes harder to justify for a lesser bonus. You'll still be able to double dip that credit, but you may have to use it on the kinds of fees it's actually intended for, unless you select and do some booking gymnastics with certain airlines. You'll get the Uber and Saks credits, but if don't ride Uber every month or shop at Saks much, you'll be ordering food or a ride, or trying to find something to buy on Saks just so you don't lose the credits. The Platinum could be a good pick for your upcoming big airlines spend, since the personal Plat earns 5x MR for charges booked directly with an airline. If you or your husband see yourself paying cash for more flights in the next year, that 5x MR is nice; however, if your flights are the type that requires travel protections, then most people agree that the CSR offers better benefits even at just 3x UR. Do you guys fly out of PHL? There's a Centurion Lounge there, and honestly the lounges is why we'll always have a Platinum in our household.

@platamama already laid out the Amex Gold's best offer is by referral, and its benefits and bonus categories. This card is a solid earner from organic spend. 4x MR at supermarkets -- I use this card for a lot of GC, VGC and MCGC deals, which I use to shift the 4x MR bonus spend to non-bonus category spend. Obviously, I also use it for my regular groceries. 4x MR at restaurants worldwide -- this category was a bit hit or miss early on, but Amex has actually been adding restaurants, bars, cafes, bakeries, etc. that didn't code for 4x MR to the bonus category, making use of this card for bonus spend on all dining a lot more consistent. The inclusion of Grubhub makes the $10 monthly dining credit easy to use because you can select the pickup option to avoid fees, and the balance over $10 earns 4x MR. And that 3x MR for charges made directly with an airline should work well for your upcoming airline expense. I consistently put the most spend on my Gold every month, which should help to keep Amex happy to approve more cards.

3. This one is harder. I'm not riding the GrAAvy train, but there are times when I wish I had started, like @DisneyMandC booking her First Class JAL flights last week and yesterday. I think a lot of folks here will advise diversifying your points so that you have the option of a backup plan if your currencies of choice can't get you the flight or hotel you want. Thing is, the first Citi AA Biz can be done via public link. It's the second and subsequent cards that require a AA Biz mailer without the 24 months language if you want to guarantee getting the SUB. I don't know when your Citi AA Biz mailer expires, but if more than 65 95 days out then it might still be of some use. I'm not clear on the details so I'll defer to @SouthFayetteFan, but I think if you use that mailer addressed to you, you won't be getting any more.

If your next move, say in September, is a Chase card, then it's closer call. You're under 5/24, so that's a factor weighing against bust out. Your CF and possibly CSR will age past a year, so you're really only looking at 3 cards in the past 12 months, and another card would be 4. I think the SW Priority, SW Biz, and CIP are adequately spaced out.

07/18 - CHASE Freedom
09/18 - CHASE Sapphire Reserve
12/18 - CHASE Southwest Priority
02/19 - CHASE Southwest Business
06/19 - CHASE Ink Preferred

Hope this helps!
It really does! :thanks: very much for taking the time to type all that out.
--I'll have him PC his CSP to a CF (and then label it for use when it's a good bonus quarter lol).​
--I'll ask him if he'd prefer the Plat w the annual fee + yummy lounge access (assuming I can get the 100K offer) or the Gold. The Gold really looks like a better on-going choice. But the Centurion Lounge at PHL and the Escape Lounges at MSP/SMF would be great to have this year, especially the Centurion in November when we fly out of PHL on AA economy to Rome :scared:
--I'm going to hold off until late September or October for a new card for me. No sense in using the AA biz mailer bc I should be starting with a public offer as @SouthFayetteFan states below. By then our Australia trip flights will be booked and I'll have a better idea of what we could use for that trip and for 2021 :)
Yes - do the first AA with a public link. No reason to use a mailer for that. Also you want to avoid using your own mailer if possible because apparently they might stop coming after that. AA biz cards have to be 90 (we recommend 95) days apart. You can typically use a mailer up to 2 months after it expires on paper.
Thank you!
Oh, @LuckyMamaInDE I also wanted to suggest the idea of your DH pc'ing his Citi card to something easy like the Double Cash card. I did that with an old Citi card I had sock drawered but is one that I've had for a long time. Nothing wrong with having a no fee 2% cash back card as a fall back for when you don't know what to pay with. Especially if his CSP becomes a CF instead of a CFU, then you'd still have a 2% all-the-time earner.
Genius! I didn't think it could be PC'ed to anything. It would still keep the original age, right? We got it in 1991 :laughing:

Thanks to everyone who gave me an opinion! Sometimes you just need other people to tell you what is right and what isn't :worship::love:
 
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