This doesn’t sound good (EMH going away?)

I don't have a price point. It depends on where you are going.

You keep going back to very low income families. That would make any thing lower middle class and middle class families spend money on would be a "luxury".

My son and dil have a boat and so does dd and sil. Those in your eyes are "luxuries". So if one of them was a yacht and one was an aluminum boat for fishing; you would consider them both a "luxury" item?
Depending on price, yes. But, I would agree one is more luxurious, if you will.

Imo, the only reason it matters is to say it’s not a luxury or privilege implies that we are somehow owed for it to be “affordable”. (Imo)
 
Depending on price, yes. But, I would agree one is more luxurious, if you will.

Imo, the only reason it matters is to say it’s not a luxury or privilege implies that we are somehow owed for it to be “affordable”. (Imo)

I think you're trying to shoehorn the term "luxury" across the board to everyone, respectfully im not sure thats the right way to define it. Luxury is different for everyone.

We all have basic needs, but beyond those basic needs, people have different needs and wants as well.
 
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Depending on price, yes. But, I would agree one is more luxurious, if you will.

Imo, the only reason it matters is to say it’s not a luxury or privilege implies that we are somehow owed for it to be “affordable”. (Imo)

Honestly we are not "owed" anything to be affordable to everyone. I am very confused by this post. What items are, in your opinion, are we owed affordability?
 
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Honestly we are not "owed" anything to be affordable to everyone. I am very confused by this post. What items are, in your opinion, are we owed affordability?

I think this conversation spawned from Disney as a luxury item to justify ever increasing costs of the vacation.

I would guess what they are trying to say is that if we don’t call it a luxury item then we think they shouldn’t increase prices and keep things affordable, when what most of us are actually annoyed with is the removal of value coupled with increasing the overall cost, not that we think prices should be stagnant.
 


I'm kinda glad a lot of folks don't consider a WDW trip a luxury, explains why so many people visit I guess.

Unfortunately that means there is a lot more room for further price increases, which I do believe is the case actually.
 
I'm kinda glad a lot of folks don't consider a WDW trip a luxury, explains why so many people visit I guess.

Unfortunately that means there is a lot more room for further price increases, which I do believe is the case actually.

Don’t get me wrong, none of this means I think Disney is cheap or that they could greatly increase the price and I would keep paying it.
 
You know, we went to an evening EMH at Magic Kingdom and I wasn't impressed. I knew that it wasn't as great as in the past, but has definitely gotten worse. SO many people hopping in the line at 9:59ish who weren't eligible for EMH. And when we walked over to Peter Pan around 10:15 and noticed a 30 minute wait, we realized the girl wasn't even scanning magic bands. She was just asking people where they were staying. No wonder the line was so long. And then several lines we were in had someone holding up the entire line because they weren't staying on property and were questioning the cast member about it, or were confused, etc. It was a mess. Buzz Lightyear seemed to be the only line that was walk on.
 


You know, we went to an evening EMH at Magic Kingdom and I wasn't impressed. I knew that it wasn't as great as in the past, but has definitely gotten worse. SO many people hopping in the line at 9:59ish who weren't eligible for EMH. And when we walked over to Peter Pan around 10:15 and noticed a 30 minute wait, we realized the girl wasn't even scanning magic bands. She was just asking people where they were staying. No wonder the line was so long. And then several lines we were in had someone holding up the entire line because they weren't staying on property and were questioning the cast member about it, or were confused, etc. It was a mess. Buzz Lightyear seemed to be the only line that was walk on.
Just so you know as long as you're in line 1 min prior to close you're totally ok. Those people were eligible to do that and there's nothing wrong with that regardless of a normal park close or a night that happens to have EMH after park close.

Sometimes for extremely popular rides especially FOP I know for a while they would have to close off the line prior to close but that's because there was just too many people in line for such a high demand ride.

Peter Pan is a high demand ride along with 7DMT I wouldn't expect those to be walk ons during EMH.
 
Just so you know as long as you're in line 1 min prior to close you're totally ok. Those people were eligible to do that and there's nothing wrong with that regardless of a normal park close or a night that happens to have EMH after park close.

Sometimes for extremely popular rides especially FOP I know for a while they would have to close off the line prior to close but that's because there was just too many people in line for such a high demand ride.

Peter Pan is a high demand ride along with 7DMT I wouldn't expect those to be walk ons during EMH.


I understand that they can get in line at 9:59 and 59 seconds. But it does contribute to longer lines with EMH only lasts 2 hours.

And I also know that Peter Pan is high demand- we always make sure we have a fast pass with that one. My issue is not with the length of the line but the cast member not even scanning bands. Anyone can lie and say "I'm staying at the Contemporary" and my proof is a large group of about 15 people next to us who were saying they were going to try to get in anyway, even though they were staying off property, and they lied to the cast member and walked right into the line at 10:15.
 
I understand that they can get in line at 9:59 and 59 seconds. But it does contribute to longer lines with EMH only lasts 2 hours.

And I also know that Peter Pan is high demand- we always make sure we have a fast pass with that one. My issue is not with the length of the line but the cast member not even scanning bands. Anyone can lie and say "I'm staying at the Contemporary" and my proof is a large group of about 15 people next to us who were saying they were going to try to get in anyway, even though they were staying off property, and they lied to the cast member and walked right into the line at 10:15.

Yeah that kind of stuff is frustrating and even more frustrating as it’s artificially making EMH more crowded and less valuable.

A stark difference with how Disney handles clearing the park for parties and how they confront non resort guests participating in EMH.
 
I understand that they can get in line at 9:59 and 59 seconds. But it does contribute to longer lines with EMH only lasts 2 hours.
I mean yes no on that. It really depends on many things and I can't imagine it's actually a significant impact. The next point however..

My issue is not with the length of the line but the cast member not even scanning bands.
Yeah that part would suck. I would imagine that's actually more impactful than pointing out seeing individuals getting in line, like they can, a minute before park closing. When we were there it was either a tablet being used or normal mickey head obviously not having a system checking and going on the honor system is going to open it up unfortunately to people taking advantage of the situation.
 
Yeah that kind of stuff is frustrating and even more frustrating as it’s artificially making EMH more crowded and less valuable.

A stark difference with how Disney handles clearing the park for parties and how they confront non resort guests participating in EMH.

And they should treat both the same. EMH is something you get as a benefit for staying on-site, for some it’s a major reason to stay on-site and staff should be enforcing the rules by actually checking to maintain the value of those hours. I don’t know if that is a one off or the norm but if that is how EMH is normally handled that is shameful.
 
Yeah that kind of stuff is frustrating and even more frustrating as it’s artificially making EMH more crowded and less valuable.

A stark difference with how Disney handles clearing the park for parties and how they confront non resort guests participating in EMH.

YES! We've been to the Christmas party and they cleared people right on out out of the park if they weren't wearing a wristband. But they don't do that with EMH. We stood in line for the teacups, of all things, which NEVER has a line during EMH, while a family blocked the entire entrance because they couldn't understand why other people were able to ride and they weren't. You can pretty much shop, eat, have your photo taken, and in some cases, still ride rides, even if you're not technically eligible for EMH.
 
What is everyone's breaking point with disney?

Ours was the parking fees. We're wrapping up our APs in August, when they're done, we're taking a year or two off.

We've been every year since 2008 minus the 2 years the boys were born in 2011 and 2012, sometimes multiple times a year (14 trips)
 
What is everyone's breaking point with disney?

Ours was the parking fees. We're wrapping up our APs in August, when they're done, we're taking a year or two off.

We've been every year since 2008 minus the 2 years the boys were born in 2011 and 2012, sometimes multiple times a year (14 trips)

I can’t say for sure.

Ours is probably more connected to value than directly to price. We already go much less often than many here, we would just space trips apart even further. We like what we like, so we’ll wait longer to go to be able to stay where we like, eat where we want, etc. Im not interesting in downgrading those parts of our trip to make up for increasing prices. Part of that is probably because our flights are a huge chunk of our trip so it makes sense to go less often and go bigger to begin with.

It would take A LOT to have me say I’m done for good, but major increases in price for what is needed for the experience we currently enjoy, like needing to pay for FP, events getting significantly worse and needing to pay extra for time in the parks, that kind of thing, would have us going less often possibly even not at all.

So in short, if extras in the parks above a regular ticket became necessities for touring we would cut back our trips.
 
What is everyone's breaking point with disney?

Ours was the parking fees. We're wrapping up our APs in August, when they're done, we're taking a year or two off.

We've been every year since 2008 minus the 2 years the boys were born in 2011 and 2012, sometimes multiple times a year (14 trips)

ours will probably be charging for FPs. we've been staying at BWI regularly for the past 8 years and the room cost has gone up by $85+/night from when we first started going...ticket prices have increased...food and bev costs up...then the parking fees...all that we were willing to overlook. but if they start charging for FPs, i think that might be it. of course, everyone's breaking point is different. but i'm just starting to feel taken advantage of at this point. :sad2:
 
Not sure where the breaking point is, but we haven't hit it yet. We certainly are doing a better job finding the better deals. I feel like we are spending less time in park that we did early on. Use to be go go go, hitting parks from rope drop until we were kicked out at night, then going to another park that might be open. Trying to maximize our time.

Now we are being a bit more selective, and taking our time. We still might close down a park, but it's rare we are at the parks at rope drop. We are awake then, we just are not pushing to hang out with the opening crowd. We are also more apt to explore outside the parks but still on property. We find our 10 year old son can relax a bit more if there isn't an attraction nearby. ;)
 
Exactly & this circles back to my use of entitled. There are many ppl who don’t have necessities & a vacation of any kind is a luxury.

For many of my clients & kids in my school...the bike & taking the bus are also luxuries!

There are 40 MILLION ppl who live in poverty in the US. That’s just the lowest of the low. There are many many ppl who can’t afford any vacation who aren’t technically living in poverty. I went on vacation with relatives & friends as a kid. My single parent was NEVER able to afford to take us...and weren’t living in poverty just unable to afford that level of disposable income.
I am feeling entitled to have the letters eoe on my keyboard when I type people.

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What is everyone's breaking point with disney?

Ours was the parking fees. We're wrapping up our APs in August, when they're done, we're taking a year or two off.

We've been every year since 2008 minus the 2 years the boys were born in 2011 and 2012, sometimes multiple times a year (14 trips)

I mean I'm not sure a "year or two off" qualifies as a breaking point, but I get it.

Its a long way off for us, esp with the new stuff on the way.

I think a lot depends on how many times folks have visited. Much easier to take a break after 5, 10 (like you) or even 20 years of visits.

Then again we are over 20 years, but we mostly go for the weather and the DVC Resorts are soo cheap, as has been airfare these last few years.
 
Basically buying DAH contributes to the problem, AP's, DVC, private tours, CL, deluxe resorts, parties, people paying more to stay when it's more expensive during holidays, and the list goes on.

Everyone's situation is different. The person who wants to do DAH may only go once per year. They might feel like they have to as a result of people with AP's and DVC going multiple times and crowding the parks. People with AP's and DVC may feel like those buying DAH are taking away from them.

The only thing to do if you don't like/enjoy it is not pay for it or complain to Disney.

All that said we did start staying onsite 100% because of EMH. The elimination of EMH for MK mornings over Easter caused us to transfer to offsite. Then realizing that didn't make us happy either, we decided to try Summer instead, where we paid much less for a longer trip. I'm hoping Disney gets my message and reinstates them during Easter (lol), but if not I'll just have to be happy with my longer, cheaper Summer trip in a nicer resort :)
 

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