Another week, another shooting

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They said white. Is black a race? Most people despite their color come from different countries. I always thought racism was based on skin color. In fact I'm 100% sure that's what it's based on.
My reply was in response to the poster who said that it was racist to say that Ireland is better than the US. That’s not racism.
 
interesting stat. There are 9 states that restrict high capacity magazines
here is how they rank as safest states for guns deaths
MA 1
NY 2
Hawaii 3
Con 4
New Jersey 5
California 7
Vermont 14
Maryland 18
Colorado 30

so 6 out or 9 are top 10 safest, 8 out of 9 top 20.
 
And that’s where it gets sticky. We have defined a level of mental illness that precludes firearm possession, but how much are we willing to expand that definition? Serious question.

It is a tough question, but it seems like there has to be a better method than the one we have now. Several shooters in recent incidents have had contact with police that was ascribed to mental illness, even though they fell short of the criteria for involuntary commitment. It seems fairly reasonable to think that we could devise some sort of "buffer period", if not an outright ownership ban, following such incidents.

That is ONE person. Don't categorize a group on one persons stupid post.

That "one person" is the official spokesperson for the organization, using the official NRA Twitter account. Not just some random post.

I agree with everything you said except the extreme rich and poor. We have high percentage of middle class. We are not a socialist country. I'm guessing most people on this board fall into the middle class category.

I'm not sure what socialism has to do with it, but our childhood poverty and inequality rates are among the highest of the world's developed nations. Just to use a few of the countries that have already been mentioned in this thread, our childhood poverty rate is almost 22%; Canada's is about 15%; Switzerland is 6%. We also have the 7th-highest rate of income inequality among the OCED nations. Canada is 19, Switzerland is 22.
 


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I'm not sure what socialism has to do with it, but our childhood poverty and inequality rates are among the highest of the world's developed nations. Just to use a few of the countries that have already been mentioned in this thread, our childhood poverty rate is almost 22%; Canada's is about 15%; Switzerland is 6%. We also have the 7th-highest rate of income inequality among the OCED nations. Canada is 19, Switzerland is 22.[/QUOTE]

Thank you very much. This is what I was referring to.
 
interesting stat. There are 9 states that restrict high capacity magazines
here is how they rank as safest states for guns deaths
MA 1
NY 2
Hawaii 3
Con 4
New Jersey 5
California 7
Vermont 14
Maryland 18
Colorado 30

so 6 out or 9 are top 10 safest, 8 out of 9 top 20.

What really matters though is how they ranked before they were banned and how they rank after, if using the stats as check in the pro box for banning them. Have they changed, or are they the same as before? Also gun deaths, does that include suicides? How many of the deaths were more than 10 people at a time? How many were single deaths shot more than 10 times? IMO all these things matter. I mean we can say banning high capacity mags will save lives and they may but the stats you post don't actually prove they do. I personally would not like to see knee jerk reactions from our law makers based on opinions and feel good emotions, I want to see reasonable changes based on actual facts because we KNOW it will make a difference.

I live in NY, the Safe Act has been in effect since 2013, I don't know when the other states banned them.
I am having trouble finding stats for gun deaths in those states in years prior to that.
 
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I have no idea what a solution to this problem may be, however, I'm seeing another problem emerging due to all this gun violence. Right off the top of my head, I personally know 20-25 people who have guns and are licensed to carry them. Each of these people are frightened to the point of hysteria. These are tiny little middle aged women (most divorced or widowed) who carry 357 Magnum's and other guns in their purses to our local Woman's Cub. They're *so pumped up and frightened* that they're going to have a knee jerk reaction and kill each other. I'm seeing this at church as well. I do believe in getting proper training and being licensed to carry a gun...but it's not being able to control the hysteria and emotions these people are displaying that truly scares me. I'm waiting for a car to backfire in the parking lot and see these women start blasting away out a window.
I've read that many Jewish people are arming themselves after the synagogue attack.

http://observers.france24.com/en/20181102-jews-pittsburgh-synagogue-attack-firearms-guns-training
 


The gap between the very rich & very poor is huge in this country & continuing to grow.
I've been to South America, Europe, and Africa and it's not near the gap that they have. I agree there are many rich people in this country, but the poverty is nowhere near what you see in other countries.
 
And that’s where it gets sticky. We have defined a level of mental illness that precludes firearm possession, but how much are we willing to expand that definition? Serious question.

I agree, but I believe we have to find some way of doing it so that people who do have issues don't have access to guns.
I don't know what that is but I believe if our government set their minds to it and worked together they could come up with something.
 
Not true. The reasons for why the shootings changes based on who did the shootings. Motivation for mass shootings of innocent victims is usually far different from inner city crime often related to drugs & poverty.

"Drugs and Poverty"? So they have an excuse to kill? Oh, please!
 
It is a tough question, but it seems like there has to be a better method than the one we have now. Several shooters in recent incidents have had contact with police that was ascribed to mental illness, even though they fell short of the criteria for involuntary commitment. It seems fairly reasonable to think that we could devise some sort of "buffer period", if not an outright ownership ban, following such incidents.



That "one person" is the official spokesperson for the organization, using the official NRA Twitter account. Not just some random post.



I'm not sure what socialism has to do with it, but our childhood poverty and inequality rates are among the highest of the world's developed nations. Just to use a few of the countries that have already been mentioned in this thread, our childhood poverty rate is almost 22%; Canada's is about 15%; Switzerland is 6%. We also have the 7th-highest rate of income inequality among the OCED nations. Canada is 19, Switzerland is 22.
Canada and Switzerland are very small countries compared to the US. They have nowhere near the population that the US has. Nor do they take in all the immigrants that we do. You have to compare apples to apples. The population of Switzerland is not much more then the middle America city I live in. It's about the same as NYC.
 
Canada and Switzerland are very small countries compared to the US. They have nowhere near the population that the US has. Nor do they take in all the immigrants that we do. You have to compare apples to apples. The population of Switzerland is not much more then the middle America city I live in.

Per capita it is oranges to oranges.
 
I think a lot of these shootings have to do with the breakdown of the American family. Families are not the way they used to be when I was growing up. Parents are not as involved in their childrens lives and unfortunately, approximately 50% of children come from broken homes. I know many will not want to hear this but I think it has really contributed to many children growing up unstable.

Yet other countries have similar divorce rates and no trend of mass shootings.
Try again.
 
move to my country, while we do have crime and bad things happen, we DONT have mass shootings, our children are safe in schools, you can go to a nightclub or bar or cinema or outdoor music event without the fear of a white man with mental illness killing people with a legally obtained gun.

Congrats on your safe country!

With regard to your, “...without the fear of a white man with mental illness killing people...”:

In my region of the U.S. there is an epidemic of young middle school and high school students being torturously murdered with knives and machetes because they disagree with a culture that tries to recruit them into a gang lifestyle. Their bodies are discovered in wooded areas with such frequency that it barely gets anything more than a passing mention on our local news. It’s such a shame that we must live in constant fear of Latinos killing our children.

* Hopefully all who read this are able to identify the racism and utter stupidity that oozes from my facetious post. While it’s true there is a very real gang problem in my region, the problem is not the machetes nor the race of those who use them to murder our children. Placing blame or casting aspersions on an entire race, any race, because of the actions of some members of that race is wrong, counterproductive and disgusting.
 
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