I Better Vote Tomorrow...

Well, I'm just making suggestions
I know you are and I don't mean to come off harsh if I have. I think that many times we want something to be better than it is.

I mean, if they go with a low-tech solution it shouldn't cost all that much at all.
No but that comes with other issues. I think that's why places started going to higher tech solutions. Initial cost high but accuracy rates high as well and results quicker. Last night results were showing up in 20mins or so after the polling closed in my state for certain precincts.

Of course, then it all has to be counted manually (though a lot of it is anyway).
It's funny you mention that we were just talking about it last night at dinner the infamous "chad" issue back in the 2000 election.

Dip your thumb in ink and put thumbprints on the paper next to your votes.
I think that some people would have issues with that especially in regards to privacy. More or less announcing that you voted or that you did vote. Plus how would people feel about placing your fingerprint on something? I know banks still do that when it comes to accounts but I feel differently about that in regards to a voting requirement that is my right as being a citizen. We already have issues surrounding voter ID laws.


We'd need a level of civic engagement that we just don't have in this country to make this kind of thing work.
We have 50 states set up where certain decisions are left up to the state to make decisions for their citizens. I don't always think what one state doesn't allow is fair but it's a catch 22 all around for forcing every county and every state to be the same. Even if I think everywhere should have the ability to early vote I concede that there are states out there that don't allow that and making them do it as a mandate may be unreasonable.

And TBH sometimes allowing the states to make their own decisions rather than forcing something can work in one's favor (depending on your own outlook). For example marijuana, even just for medicinal purposes, is still illegal at the Federal level but is not illegal at the state level for certain states. On the other hand the ability to get married if you are in a same-sex relationship is something I'm very glad that is legal in all 50 states...but to that note that was a moral or religious issue rather than a financial issue. I see requiring all places to have the same voting machines/methods, moving a lot of things around, etc as much more of a financial issue IMO.
 
Their right isn't being taken away, they are being informed that they will be taken off the registration roll. They have the option of responding to that and not be taken off, or they have the option of not responding, being taken off and then re-register if they choose.

No, their right to vote is *absolutely* being taken away. Yes, they can take steps to get that right reinstated, but by removing them from the voter roles, their legal right to vote has been removed.
Which sucks.
 
I'm actually surprised by the credit people have in the postal system's change of address system, and state government's integration with that system to track voters through multiple moves (because that's what the states do to notify people, they rely on the postal system) and so it's not obvious to them that the issue isn't "lack of response" but "lack of actually receiving notification." The states send them out, but do they get to where they need to go? Especially, because usually people are dumping on both USPS and their government to do something correctly and efficiently.

LOL, well I don't give the USPS that much credit, but I also don't assume that every single person taken off the rolls has moved around so much they cant be found or that every single notice that went out somehow got lost in the mail.
 
No, their right to vote is *absolutely* being taken away. Yes, they can take steps to get that right reinstated, but by removing them from the voter roles, their legal right to vote has been removed.
Which sucks.

I think you need to educate yourself on what taking away a right means.
If they can re-register to vote then they are allowed to vote which means their rights are still there.
But if that is what your feelings tell you, no facts are going to change your opinion.
 


I think you need to educate yourself on what taking away a right means.
If they can re-register to vote then they are allowed to vote which means their rights are still there.
But if that is what your feelings tell you, no facts are going to change your opinion.

No, they are allowed to *register* to vote. they are not allowed to vote.
Those are two different things.
Facts matter.

ETA: It's easy to think of many times in US history when someone's rights "are still there" *if* they do something - say pay a poll tax or take a test or own property. That's not the side of history I'd want to be on.
 
And if the warning was sent to Address #3 of a person, but they are living in Address #5, then what?
I don't know how it is elsewhere honestly but in my area you can change your DMV address for free online as many times as you want. If you want a new DL with the new address you will have to pay fees (like for the picture, etc). If you change your address online through the DMV system you are supposed to carry the piece of paper around with you with the updated address.

You can at the exact same time adjust your voter registration address. So at least in my area there's no excuse for when you move as long as you still have a place to get mail. Does everyone change their address, even online for free? nope I sure didn't. I didn't until I moved into my house that we built 4 years ago despite 2 years in the dorm, 2 years in an apartment (though in college I kept my mom's address as my permanent one), 9 months back home, 2 years in an apartment complex, 18 months in a rental house and then last move just over 4 years ago to my house I live in now.

Throughout that time though I did update through the Postal System my address and when I graduated college I had my own auto and renters insurance so that address was updated but my student loans, my life insurance policy, my voter registrations and my DL address were all still my mom's. So I get it when people didn't update their address, because I sure didn't, but at the same time I would have changed the address if I didn't have my mom's house to fall back on and because of the system set up there's not a real good reason, if you are at a place that can get mail for things like utilities etc, to not update your address which allows you to update your voter registration which allows you to continue to get mailings at the correct place.
 
States have a right to decide their own voting rules. Same day voting. How do prevent fraud with that method??? I've never met a able bodied person that said they wanted to vote, but couldn't. If you feel that way you should take up with your state since it's a state issue. I happen to live in a state that makes voting easy. If it's not easy in your state maybe you need to vote in new people.

That’s cool...you asked a question about how to make voting easier stating some things that were untrue, I answered with how it could be easier, and you change the argument to states rights. You clearly weren’t interesting in hearing how it could be easier, and maybe you aren’t interested in making it easier for certain groups? FYI-voting isn’t just for “able bodied people” either.

I’m in a state with early voting and have transportation and plentiful polls so I’m all good.
 


My ballot directed me to choose three for local school board. Yet there were only two candidates listed, both running unopposed. The third space was blank. I guess I was supposed to write someone in. I didn't bother with that part.
A minor write-in campaign could have put you on the school board!
Excuse me who exactly am I bitter and resentful of? Like I said I work with a lot of people making minimum wage. They are all capable of making it to a polling place.
Can you please elaborate on "capable of"? Do all these people own vehicles? Is there public transportation available between the necessary points? Do their minimum wage jobs allow them time to get to the polls/are the polls open sufficient hours to accommodate minimum wage workers?
It's a real shame the lack of credit some give people who make under a certain income level.
Trying to explain WHY something is, in no way indicates giving a lack of credit.

Plus how would people feel about placing your fingerprint on something?
Okay, fine. Ear prints. According to at least a couple of tv series, ear prints are unique, too.
 
Great news!!! I got a robo call today. The number had a local exchange, so I answered it.

The voice thanked me for voting yesterday and wants to reward me with a cruise to The Bahamas!!! Can't wait to go!!!
 
Excuse me who exactly am I bitter and resentful of? Like I said I work with a lot of people making minimum wage. They are all capable of making it to a polling place. If I was a low income person I would be insulted by the fact that you think were not capable of figuring out how to vote. There are plenty of people of all income levels that don't vote for various reasons. Probably the main was is they just don't want to and that's their right.
The debate is getting very redundant and actually kind of silly.

Apparently people that likely have it way harder than you, yet you thing they got it so good. The "if I was a low income person" screams an inability to understand others. Resorting to the "redundant...silly" is another example of not wanting to understand.
 
Online voting, could you imagine the accusations of hacking and collusion with foreign governments when a surprise candidate that half the people hate wins. Me either :rolleyes1

It will definitely take a while, but online is likely in the future since everything else is. A database for voters is a start, but it's something that we have to hugely invest in...both creating and protecting it. When I hear people talk of a national voting card or system, I don't think that's an awful idea. But it's something we have to pay for.
 
Great news!!! I got a robo call today. The number had a local exchange, so I answered it.

The voice thanked me for voting yesterday and wants to reward me with a cruise to The Bahamas!!! Can't wait to go!!!


Enjoy your cruise! :smooth: :beach: :dance3:
 
A minor write-in campaign could have put you on the school board!

Can you please elaborate on "capable of"? Do all these people own vehicles? Is there public transportation available between the necessary points? Do their minimum wage jobs allow them time to get to the polls/are the polls open sufficient hours to accommodate minimum wage workers?

Trying to explain WHY something is, in no way indicates giving a lack of credit.


Okay, fine. Ear prints. According to at least a couple of tv series, ear prints are unique, too.
Yes they all have cars, homes, phones. food. internet, etc.I do not live in a high cost of living state.
 
Apparently people that likely have it way harder than you, yet you thing they got it so good. The "if I was a low income person" screams an inability to understand others. Resorting to the "redundant...silly" is another example of not wanting to understand.
You know nothing about me, but nice try. Y
 
Great news!!! I got a robo call today. The number had a local exchange, so I answered it.

The voice thanked me for voting yesterday and wants to reward me with a cruise to The Bahamas!!! Can't wait to go!!!
Awesome which cruise line?
 
I don't even remember if the cruise line was mentioned. Maybe they would have revealed it when I gave my credit card number and expiration date for the "small reservation fee."
Ha Ha. I thought that sounded to good to be true. I always get the police are coming to your door to arrest you for tax fraud phone calls. Please call this number and pay your taxes blah blah blah.
 
Voting with the current system isn't difficult.

I've voted in 6 cities across 2 states and never found it very hard or inconvenient.

Online voting is the future and could be done securely now if we fixed the authentication problem. Username and password isn't it but there are better alternatives in the works. Until then just get your butt to your polling location and cast your vote.

It should take some effort because anything important and worth doing often does.
 

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