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The Running Thread - 2018

ATTQOTD: A personal coach who goes with me on some of my training runs. Feedback on form, etc would be awesome. My own personal uber air conditioned gym attached to my house. It would have a high end treadmill with a big built in tv screen and free lifetime subscriptions to all the streaming platforms (Netflix, Hulu, HBO, etc.). A running track would be inside too. I’d also have a massage therapist that made house calls and a grocery shopper and chef.
 
ATTQOTD....so many great answers so far.

I would hire a personal coach that would double as my food/fuel guru and personal motivator. They would have an amazing gym that had indoor resistance pools, free massage, weight training, and use of the latest technology (Garmin watches, V02 max equipment, etc). They would partner with all the shoe manufacturers and have the latest models of running shoes available for my use. Of course this would all be located within 25 feet of my house so it would be easy to access 24/7, and have an open bar with beer, wine, smoothies, pizza, and burgers.

And if I had enough money left over, I would charter a plane, pick up all the participants (and families) in this forum, and fly them to Disney events throughout the year.
 
ATTQOTD:

With whatever is leftover I'll help finance @DopeyBadger 's futuristic tron-like running center.

This! ^ Most of this was posted back in 2016.

1) Rooms with floors that are treadmills and walls that are projection screens. Simulates full immersion running. Including air movement. And the floor is up off the ground which can allow the floor to match the running location both uphill and downhill. And saved times from previous runs that allow you to plant a "ghost" version of yourself in your current run from your best effort previously. They would be in front, next to, or behind you based on today's workout. It can also be synched with other runners around the world, so you can "run" with your friends.

2) Races with blind clocks and estimated finish time based on distance and current time. The clocks would be made similar to stop lights at 5 way stops (or angled 4 way stops) with the bars in the light to prevent sight lines when you shouldn't see them. Put this on a clock and allow people to go left to see the time and go right to not see the split time. But also include a second time clock that estimates current finishing time based on distance and current time. The clock would continuously update with your predicted finish time. You could even implement a real time screen at the mile splits that show people's names and current estimated finish time as they cross each split not based on gun time but chip time.

3) A track with RFID chips that track your runs, but also enable tv screens to move in front of you around the track. You get the track workout but with the tv in your upper sight line. Teaches you to keep your head up when running. The tracks the tvs are on would have to be able to pass each other as people pass others.

4) Training rooms with different conditions. Super sunny room. Super humid room. Super heated room. Super cold room. etc. All to maximize training.

5) Holographic projections of current place based on overall and age division in races. Now you can see what place you're in simply by looking over head of other runners. Is that guy in my division? What place am I in? Will I podium today?

6) Allow family/friends to submit videos/pictures in race that when you pass a timing mat it will recognize you and display the video/picture from your family up ahead of you (like 200m or so, so you see it coming).

7) An extensive indoor/outdoor training facility that simulates real road running in a controlled environment, but can keep you from the elements if needed.

8) An outdoor track with a built-in heater underneath. Melts the snow off the track when desired. Maybe robots to help clear it as well.

9) A system that allows you to place water/fluids along the route that becomes available as you approach it. Limits the need to carry items, but also keeps it safe from other people (darn people always stealing my stashed water bottles...)

10) 24/7 staff with personal trainers, nutritionists, and scientists at your disposal. Want a VO2max test, let's do it. Want to try a LT test, on it. Like a gait analysis, done. Want someone to help discuss your nutrition during daily life and during training/races, anytime you want.

11) Tracking devices that you can opt into that tracks countless metrics and helps track your data. Additionally, this data would serve the scientific community in making new discoveries/claims about sports performance.

Just a few ideas I've come up with.

@ZellyB already has called dibs on the first membership and thus will be receive a one year membership for free.

i wanted to follow up my post on strava premium features with another one i've finally got working the way i wanted; segments.

one of the features i really like about strava is it automatically compares runs on the same courses. and, within courses, you also can find portions that are designated at 'segments." these are created by folks with premium access but they can be made public. so you'll often see these pop up in your achievments when you run on routes that are pretty popular.

i wanted to use segments to build an automatic measure for my interval runs. and i think i finally succeeded. basically, if you do more than four intervals, it's a pain to record each and every split while you are also watching the clock to get your next run. the simplest solution, it seemed to me, is to just turn the garmin on and run the whole workout and let strava pick out the times on the interval distance itself.

so i ran my intervals this morning but deliberately did one out and one back as individual runs. then i went used those to crate two as separate "segments." i also designated these as 'private' so it's only for me to use.

here is one of the test runs that included one interval out, one interval back and one cool down effort on the distance. the "workout" records this as one single run, including all of the rest periods but i can now look at the segments, and get a breakdown of my individual splits.

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the real test will be doing the whole workout next week just relying on this. my hope is that with this recorded as a single workout i can then have a better way to look at my overall heart rate and cadence over the course of the whole effort.

Another option is programmed workouts on the Garmin. Then look at "laps" for Strava and you can see the individual splits. From the same workout -

Just mile splits:

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"Laps" with programmed workout on Garmin watch:

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ATTQOTD:
5) Holographic projections of current place based on overall and age division in races. Now you can see what place you're in simply by looking over head of other runners. Is that guy in my division? What place am I in? Will I podium today?

Add an energy bar to see if they are losing gas or still have a lot in the tank!
Gel packs automatically arrive when your own bar is low.
Can we also pick up mystery boxes with shells in them to throw at people who are faster than us?
 


1) Rooms with floors that are treadmills and walls that are projection screens. Simulates full immersion running. Including air movement. And the floor is up off the ground which can allow the floor to match the running location both uphill and downhill. And saved times from previous runs that allow you to plant a "ghost" version of yourself in your current run from your best effort previously. They would be in front, next to, or behind you based on today's workout. It can also be synched with other runners around the world, so you can "run" with your friends.

2) Races with blind clocks and estimated finish time based on distance and current time. The clocks would be made similar to stop lights at 5 way stops (or angled 4 way stops) with the bars in the light to prevent sight lines when you shouldn't see them. Put this on a clock and allow people to go left to see the time and go right to not see the split time. But also include a second time clock that estimates current finishing time based on distance and current time. The clock would continuously update with your predicted finish time. You could even implement a real time screen at the mile splits that show people's names and current estimated finish time as they cross each split not based on gun time but chip time.

3) A track with RFID chips that track your runs, but also enable tv screens to move in front of you around the track. You get the track workout but with the tv in your upper sight line. Teaches you to keep your head up when running. The tracks the tvs are on would have to be able to pass each other as people pass others.

4) Training rooms with different conditions. Super sunny room. Super humid room. Super heated room. Super cold room. etc. All to maximize training.

5) Holographic projections of current place based on overall and age division in races. Now you can see what place you're in simply by looking over head of other runners. Is that guy in my division? What place am I in? Will I podium today?

6) Allow family/friends to submit videos/pictures in race that when you pass a timing mat it will recognize you and display the video/picture from your family up ahead of you (like 200m or so, so you see it coming).

7) An extensive indoor/outdoor training facility that simulates real road running in a controlled environment, but can keep you from the elements if needed.

8) An outdoor track with a built-in heater underneath. Melts the snow off the track when desired. Maybe robots to help clear it as well.

9) A system that allows you to place water/fluids along the route that becomes available as you approach it. Limits the need to carry items, but also keeps it safe from other people (darn people always stealing my stashed water bottles...)

10) 24/7 staff with personal trainers, nutritionists, and scientists at your disposal. Want a VO2max test, let's do it. Want to try a LT test, on it. Like a gait analysis, done. Want someone to help discuss your nutrition during daily life and during training/races, anytime you want.

11) Tracking devices that you can opt into that tracks countless metrics and helps track your data. Additionally, this data would serve the scientific community in making new discoveries/claims about sports performance.

Just a few ideas I've come up with.
The heck with money for early retirement. I am putting it towards this!!
 


A dietician to prepare every meal and snack for me for a complete training cycle.

ATTQOTD: My own chef to prepare personalized meals so I could get the nutrition that I needed and also have it taste yummy. Plus I hate cooking.

I was going to say I didn’t have anything because other than travel I’m not real fancy and I don’t like owning tons of stuff. But someone to make all my meals? Sign me up!! Better yet if it’s all heathy; I struggle pretty hard with preparating my own food at all, let alone preparing anything that’s good for me.
 
Convince me to use real money, but not the quantity suggested by the current QOTD.
My answer earlier was serious about wishing for all the shorts- mine will still be soaked with sweat and I am not doing another stupid load of laundry today, so I will not be running tomorrow at this rate.
I search this thread for previous topics on a semi-regular basis, and want to go back a few pages. https://www.disboards.com/threads/the-running-thread-2018.3655354/page-440#post-59516466
I have one pair of athleta be free shorts that I wash almost every day and I am not having it any more, I am admitting I need more than one pair of shorts I do not hate for summer running. I tried the well loved sparkle skirts and am willing to risk public mocking by saying I do not love the sparkle skirt -too thick, I have too much velcro in my life for snags, they are a bit long, and just too much. Several of you were singing the praises of Oiselle, which also has shorts with pockets. I can't find them locally to try them on, and I am not in love with the colors as they appear on my screen. My current favorite shorts are 6 inches. The version that is 4" chafes, so I am concerned about going that short. What do I start with? Or suggest something else?
ETA: I would just buy what I have, but they have been on back order since June. That is right, I have been wearing 1 pair of shorts 3.5x/week since June.
 
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ATTQOTD: So. Many. Great. Answers. At first I was like "Treadmill!" but I hate running on a treadmill. I would rather run in the heat and humidity than do anything more than 5 miles on a treadmill. To all the people saying "Personal track", also a hard pass for me. I hate running the track. I do it because it's the only consistently flat place I have to do speedwork, but not my preference. As for a personal chef, I like cooking a lot and I'm a picky eater. While having someone around would probably make my meals more healthy and give me more time, I just don't feel like I would like it as much. Maybe someone to meal prep my breakfasts and lunches, but I'll take care of dinner. If I had the space that @Dis5150 had, I would steal her answer and say a paved loop around my house that would have to be at least 5k in distance. In the end, in order for my running/fitness needs to be satisfied, I would need a whole new house. Whether or not I stay in AZ, I'm unsure. Because boy I love California and if my house is paid for, I could probably find a job to pay for everything else. With the new house would be a lap pool, a workout room, and said paved 5k loop around my property. My closet would be stocked full of running shoes and clothes. And I would be one happy camper.
 
I have one pair of athleta be free shorts that I wash almost every day and I am not having it any more, I am admitting I need more than one pair of shorts I do not hate for summer running. I tried the well loved sparkle skirts and am willing to risk public mocking by saying I do not love the sparkle skirt -too thick, I have too much velcro in my life for snags, they are a bit long, and just too much. Several of you were singing the praises of Oiselle, which also has shorts with pockets. I can't find them locally to try them on, and I am not in love with the colors as they appear on my screen. My current favorite shorts are 6 inches. The version that is 4" chafes, so I am concerned about going that short. What do I start with? Or suggest something else?
I would just buy a bunch more pairs of the Athleta ones. :)
 
Convince me to use real money, but not the quantity suggested by the current QOTD.
My answer earlier was serious about wishing for all the shorts- mine will still be soaked with sweat and I am not doing another stupid load of laundry today, so I will not be running tomorrow at this rate.
I search this thread for previous topics on a semi-regular basis, and want to go back a few pages. https://www.disboards.com/threads/the-running-thread-2018.3655354/page-440#post-59516466
I have one pair of athleta be free shorts that I wash almost every day and I am not having it any more, I am admitting I need more than one pair of shorts I do not hate for summer running. I tried the well loved sparkle skirts and am willing to risk public mocking by saying I do not love the sparkle skirt -too thick, I have too much velcro in my life for snags, they are a bit long, and just too much. Several of you were singing the praises of Oiselle, which also has shorts with pockets. I can't find them locally to try them on, and I am not in love with the colors as they appear on my screen. My current favorite shorts are 6 inches. The version that is 4" chafes, so I am concerned about going that short. What do I start with? Or suggest something else?
These saved my legs from chafing. But like I said previously, somehow my thighs started to get along with body glide and I can wear the shorter shorts now. I save these for races when I don't want to risk it.

https://oldnavy.gap.com/browse/product.do?pid=203111012
 
I tried the well loved sparkle skirts and am willing to risk public mocking by saying I do not love the sparkle skirt -too thick, I have too much velcro in my life for snags, they are a bit long, and just too much. Several of you were singing the praises of Oiselle, which also has shorts with pockets. I can't find them locally to try them on, and I am not in love with the colors as they appear on my screen. My current favorite shorts are 6 inches. The version that is 4" chafes, so I am concerned about going that short. What do I start with? Or suggest something else?
I don't like Sparkle Skirts, either, also because they're heavy, hot and too long. In hot weather, I only run in Skirt Sports skorts now. They have a gazillion different kinds with various lengths, and they do also sell shorts. Worth looking at their website! I find their construction to be more comfortable than Sparkle Skirts, and the material lighter and more airy. The Lioness is my favorite: it's shorter than Sparkle Skirts, less volume in the skirt, and the shorts have grippy things at the bottom to keep them from riding up. Pockets on both legs, plus a zip pocket in back.
 
Next random question:
I have been watching T+D and how runs feel. My non-quantitative assessment is that humidity is worse than actual temperature. For example, I can wake up and run at 6am when it is 70 °F and 98%RH for a T+D of 140, or I can wait until afternoon when it is 80 °F and 60% RH with the same T+D. I feel worse for the lower temp, higher humidity. Is this just because it is early (and I likely have eaten nothing), or is the humidity really worse even if they are the same?
 
This week we have the following folks with races, and one race listed that I somehow messed up the username. If its your race, please let me know so I can correct it.

09 - ???? - Midsummer Night 5k (NG / N/A)
12 - @flav - Waikiki Boca Hawaii Tamanaha 15k (NG / N/A)
12 - @michigandergirl - Go Rogue Run 3.5 mi/Kayak 3.5 mi (NG / N/A)
12 - @derekleigh - City on the Lakes Triathlon Sprint (NG / N/A)

Best of luck to each of you! If you need to revise your goal or have some other change that needs to be made, just let me know. If anyone else has a race that they would like to add to the list, let me know and I will add it! Good luck and we look forward to hearing how your race goes!
 
This is a timely conversation. I'm thinking about registering for an indoor tri at the local Y, on October 13th. The swim portion is 10 minutes long. I can swim enough to not drown, but that's about it. Maybe 2 lengths of the pool.

I need the Couch to 5K (whatever the equivalent distance is) program for swimming. Not sure yet how many days a week I'm willing to devote to swim training.

Any suggestions from the triathletes or swimmers?

I did two indoor tri's this winter and the first one is like what you described. You swim for a set amount of time, have a 10 minute break to change, ride a spin bike for a set amount of time, have a 5 minute break, run laps on an indoor track for a set amount of time. The winner is whomever goes the furthest. You only had to complete one full lap of the pool down and back so as long as you can do that you are set. I think that is a great way to start since there is no pressure to swim a distance.

I had a private lesson and then signed up for a 5 week group class on freestyle stroke fundamentals. I highly recommend it. I will likely continue to do at least one of the groups classes a year. I still have a lot of work to do but my stroke has improved a lot.

QOTD: If money was no object what running related product or service other than a destination race would you buy.

I would like a coaching service where you pay a monthly fee and it includes coaching (running, strength, swimming, etc) and nutritionist.

Convince me to use real money, but not the quantity suggested by the current QOTD.
My answer earlier was serious about wishing for all the shorts- mine will still be soaked with sweat and I am not doing another stupid load of laundry today, so I will not be running tomorrow at this rate.
I search this thread for previous topics on a semi-regular basis, and want to go back a few pages. https://www.disboards.com/threads/the-running-thread-2018.3655354/page-440#post-59516466
I have one pair of athleta be free shorts that I wash almost every day and I am not having it any more, I am admitting I need more than one pair of shorts I do not hate for summer running. I tried the well loved sparkle skirts and am willing to risk public mocking by saying I do not love the sparkle skirt -too thick, I have too much velcro in my life for snags, they are a bit long, and just too much. Several of you were singing the praises of Oiselle, which also has shorts with pockets. I can't find them locally to try them on, and I am not in love with the colors as they appear on my screen. My current favorite shorts are 6 inches. The version that is 4" chafes, so I am concerned about going that short. What do I start with? Or suggest something else?

If you really like the Athleta I'd get more of them. I am not as picky about shorts as long as they are lined, have a key pocket, and aren't too short or long I'm happy. I have a bunch of different brands and just look for sales on Amazon. I probably have 15 pairs of running shorts and 4 pairs of tights for winter.
 
If you really like the Athleta I'd get more of them. I am not as picky about shorts as long as they are lined, have a key pocket, and aren't too short or long I'm happy. I have a bunch of different brands and just look for sales on Amazon. I probably have 15 pairs of running shorts and 4 pairs of tights for winter.

19 pair of running bottoms, I'm going to need to add a bigger house to my answer for the QOTD so I do not have to share a dresser with DH!
And hire someone to take the time to return all the auditioned clothes I reject (this would be amazing!)
 
ATTQOTD: If I'm being somewhat "realistic" with this fantasy, I'd say a top of the line Garmin, some Apple Air Pods, and a bunch more pairs of shoes and sets of running clothes. If we're being totally unrealistic, then I'd go for a house in San Francisco where I can comfortably run year-round and also train on hills, etc. Also, San Francisco is just an awesome town and I'd love to live there (again) some day! :)
 

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