Star Wars Episode 9 Loses Director and JJ Abrams is back

I don't mind JJ. I am young and didn't grow up with the Star Wars age so I only really know modern Star Wars. I did like Rogue One better than TFA however IMO TFA was still really good.

Let me help you with that...
...this stuff isn't as good.
 
As someone on the news thread said gotta hope 8 is really really good. Because we're gonna get the "game manager quarterback" version of a movie with 9

Well...Empire Is the glue that made the first round the most iconic/influential movie franchise in history...

...and clones was a rotting carcass that made the debaucle round a putrid mess...

So there is some merit to what you're saying...

...really not expecting a lot from this episode 8. Just have the "bad feeling about this"
 
I guess one difference is rather than waiting for the third act to introduce to the cute little creatures, they are doing it in the 2nd with the porgs

Lol...

I saw those in the stores (including the Disney store in Times Square...which is great, by the way) and my first response was "what the hell!?!?"

...really not impressed with the way Star Wars has been handled this last year or so...bad spin offs and the main episodes seem to be "listing" on a number of angles.
 
Is anyway else thinking that this new trilogy might really mirror the original?

Empire is far and away the best (though I do like ANH best). Lots of people thought Jedi was a cheap cop out of an ending to the trilogy.

So here we have Force Awakens directed by Abrams, that lots of people say is a straight up rip off of ANH. Next up we have Last Jedi, which I am really really hoping will be the Empire of this trilogy and it has the opportunity to be that really good, different feel game changer movie.

Then we'll have Episode 9 directed by Abrams again, so that could be the let down that Jedi was to a lot of people.
 


Is anyway else thinking that this new trilogy might really mirror the original?

Empire is far and away the best (though I do like ANH best). Lots of people thought Jedi was a cheap cop out of an ending to the trilogy.

So here we have Force Awakens directed by Abrams, that lots of people say is a straight up rip off of ANH. Next up we have Last Jedi, which I am really really hoping will be the Empire of this trilogy and it has the opportunity to be that really good, different feel game changer movie.

Then we'll have Episode 9 directed by Abrams again, so that could be the let down that Jedi was to a lot of people.

The complete reboot with 4 new/4 old characters tipped me off...:duck:
 
The complete reboot with 4 new/4 old characters tipped me off...:duck:

Don't need to duck, I won't throw anything.

I enjoyed Force Awakens. I saw it a few times in the theater, bought it on 3d blu ray and have maybe watched it once. It was an entertaining movie, but it was nothing life changing like the original Star Wars.

The thought I posted above just occurred to me when I heard Abrams was taking over Episode 9. Don't get me wrong, I will forever appreciate Abrams for putting practical effects and creatures back into SW, so I do have that to thank him for.
 
Don't need to duck, I won't throw anything.

I enjoyed Force Awakens. I saw it a few times in the theater, bought it on 3d blu ray and have maybe watched it once. It was an entertaining movie, but it was nothing life changing like the original Star Wars.

The thought I posted above just occurred to me when I heard Abrams was taking over Episode 9. Don't get me wrong, I will forever appreciate Abrams for putting practical effects and creatures back into SW, so I do have that to thank him for.

I've said this before...
...I can't make it through it on blu ray...

There just isn't any "spark".

This abrams move...is tone deaf...

Disney is misreading what that $2 billion box office really was comprised of...it's a bad move in the wide angle lens.
 


I've said this before...
...I can't make it through it on blu ray...

There just isn't any "spark".

This abrams move...is tone deaf...

Disney is misreading what that $2 billion box office really was comprised of...it's a bad move in the wide angle lens.

I don't think they care what it was comprised of - they don't read beyond "$2bn box office"
 
I don't think they care what it was comprised of - they don't read beyond "$2bn box office"

This is the avatar thing again...

A once off huge box office (and all Star Wars will make plenty...I'm not indicating they won't) is NOT what has made Star Wars the juggernaut it is.

It is the licensing and staying power that's the phenomenon...

The force awakens - now that's its been 2 years and we can really look at it - benefitted from a lot of factors at the box office that future movies aren't gonna have.

I would be more sure of box office bank if rogue one - a better Star Wars movie - hadn't come in at kinda a let down box office take.
 
Disney is misreading what that $2 billion box office really was comprised of...it's a bad move in the wide angle lens.

I am going to find the box office total of Last Jedi very interesting.

I always like to follow what I call the 'great first outing, sucky sequel and unlucky third' phenomenon for those trilogies. Though in this case, it's more like still banking off goodwill from the original trilogy.

The POTC first three movies are a perfect example of this. Just looking at domestic box office you have the original grossing roughly $305 million. Runaway hit, which I really enjoyed myself.

The sequel comes out and everyone is still high off the fun of the first one so Dead Man's Chest makes $423 million. Movie sucked, good will of the first has diminished so the last one comes out, World's End, and it grosses $309 million. I'm not sure if the studio execs are delusional to think that the second movie actually earned that money on it's own. Hopefully they realize it was good will money from the success of the original, whether that good will came from the box office or people buying the dvd and watching it for the first time.

Hopefully my ramblings made sense to someone, I've just thought numbers like that were very interesting.

Also...while I'm rambling about box office and going very off topic I will just keep going.

Did anyone see IT's box office numbers? $117 domestically!!! Why oh why do movie studios refuse to release more good (good being the key word) movies in the traditional down times of the year? I doubt IT makes that much if it was released in the summer. That is what happened with the first Hunger Games. It was released, I think, in the beginning of March which is a time, traditionally, when no quality movies come out and look how much it made.

I still say that is how Titanic made all it's money, because it survived the Christmas season and then played on into January and February, months in which nothing good is ever released.
 
While I did enjoy Episode 7 in spite of its flaws, there's something rotten in Denmark and it's leading up to Kathleen Kennedy. I began to notice issues with the way people at Lucasfilm were being harsh in tweets towards any fan who criticized ep 7 for being ANH retread, and how anyone with a legit criticism of a female lead was seen as sexist. That's seriously unprofessional, especially in the wake of the disaster that was Ghostbusters 2016. (Have they learned nothing?!) I'm sure the comment KK made about not catering Star Wars to white men won her no favors.

Now with these back-to-back director firings, you can't tell me that things aren't downward spiraling over there. Can't say I'm shocked that they would bring JJ Abrams back after the amount of criticism he got for ep 7. Wasn't the whole point of taking Star Wars from George Lucas was to not repeat the same mistakes he made? Because if I recall, fan complaints about the prequels had been largely ignored by GL which only lead to him losing the franchise.

IMO, it's Kathleen Kennedy that needs to go. But like many just like her in the industry, she gonna keep using her woman card as a free pass. (I say this as a woman btw).
 
It's simple. Lucasfilm want younger and different directors to mak ththe films that they want people to watch. If during that process they don't keep to how they want a films made, they sack the directors.

Marvel have Kevin Feige to oversee everything and keep everything on track with th films. Lucasfilm has Kathleen Kennedy and she's incredibly ruthless which certainly rubs off with the rest of Lucasfilm
 
It's simple. Lucasfilm want younger and different directors to mak ththe films that they want people to watch. If during that process they don't keep to how they want a films made, they sack the directors.

Marvel have Kevin Feige to oversee everything and keep everything on track with th films. Lucasfilm has Kathleen Kennedy and she's incredibly ruthless which certainly rubs off with the rest of Lucasfilm

I think KK is in over her head. It seems like the Star Wars decisions are being directed by an overextended CEO looking to retire...

...quick buck movies
 

Just an FYI there is already a thread about the change in director that has people talking about it: (link is to the first post where it mentions JJ taking over) https://www.disboards.com/threads/star-wars-episode-9-loses-director.3631970/page-3#post-58190277

Actually, there are now 3 threads about this (if we include the one about moving the release date) ... @rteetz maybe merge them all together to keep chatter about episode IX in one spot?
 
moving discussion here from main news thread per @rteetz :D

I thought it was going to be one of the main three per movie. But now, who knows.

I have been wondering if they will make Luke or Rey the main villain. Unless Snope is really ramped up in this next film there is just no major villain. Don't even try to tell me whiny Kylo is a villain, he can't even best newcomer Rey with a lightsaber. Luke would own him, he is not much of a threat.

heck, not even that he couldn't match Rey (who, you could argue is so inherently strong in the Force that normal situations don't apply) - Finn held his own for a bit .... if Kylo was even half of what Vader was he would have wiped the floor with Finn

I have trouble with the idea of Luke being the villain in the end as the whole point of the original trilogy was him being tempted by the dark side but not succumbing to it, but rather able to get his father to turn back to the light. making him the bad guy now undoes all of that

I think Snope is the main bad guy - but not in a traditional "evil" sense ... more that he feels above everything

And the main goal of the story is that there isn't that all good vs all bad scenario in real life, that the original Jedi council was wrong in how they viewed things and power corrupted them, etc. ... Even in Luke's clothes you see him going from White to Black and now to Gray - and it the Gray Jedi that isn't really "the light" or "the darkness" but "so much more". And that Rey fits there too - that the balance of the force isn't good triumphing over evil, but a true balance or middle ground
 
moving discussion here from main news thread per @rteetz :D



heck, not even that he couldn't match Rey (who, you could argue is so inherently strong in the Force that normal situations don't apply) - Finn held his own for a bit .... if Kylo was even half of what Vader was he would have wiped the floor with Finn

I have trouble with the idea of Luke being the villain in the end as the whole point of the original trilogy was him being tempted by the dark side but not succumbing to it, but rather able to get his father to turn back to the light. making him the bad guy now undoes all of that

I think Snope is the main bad guy - but not in a traditional "evil" sense ... more that he feels above everything

And the main goal of the story is that there isn't that all good vs all bad scenario in real life, that the original Jedi council was wrong in how they viewed things and power corrupted them, etc. ... Even in Luke's clothes you see him going from White to Black and now to Gray - and it the Gray Jedi that isn't really "the light" or "the darkness" but "so much more". And that Rey fits there too - that the balance of the force isn't good triumphing over evil, but a true balance or middle ground

I agree that Luke shouldn't turn evil, but so far the new trilogy has seem very uninspired story wise. I really hope there are some surprises in store for us.

I would appreciate the whole gray aspect of the force. The Jedi always struck me as incredibly arrogant and dumb in the prequels. I'm not sure if they were supposed to come off that way or not. The later seasons of the Clone Wars cartoon kind of delved into that. How the council was making all the Jedi into warriors when they all didn't even want to fight and they'd gone really far from their original peace keeper roles. I always liked how in the original expanded universe books Jedi could have different roles than fighters. There was a Jedi who was a master healer, some were diplomats, they weren't all lightsaber masters.

I'm actually kind of sad they had Yoda fight with a lightsaber in the Attack of the Clones. He always seemed much more of a meditative, non-action Jedi. I feel like I would have been more impressed by his battle with Dooku if he hadn't had a lightsaber at all and had just peacefully sat there and blocked Dooku's attacks with the force.

My boyfriend ascribes to the theory that Rey is a reincarnated sort of Anakin. That the chosen one comes about every time there is an extreme imbalance in the force. Anakin was created because Plaguis (I know that is spelled wrong and don't care) was messing around with life and death. Now Rey was created maybe because of something Snoke is doing.
 
I agree that Luke shouldn't turn evil, but so far the new trilogy has seem very uninspired story wise. I really hope there are some surprises in store for us.

I would appreciate the whole gray aspect of the force. The Jedi always struck me as incredibly arrogant and dumb in the prequels. I'm not sure if they were supposed to come off that way or not. The later seasons of the Clone Wars cartoon kind of delved into that. How the council was making all the Jedi into warriors when they all didn't even want to fight and they'd gone really far from their original peace keeper roles. I always liked how in the original expanded universe books Jedi could have different roles than fighters. There was a Jedi who was a master healer, some were diplomats, they weren't all lightsaber masters.

I'm actually kind of sad they had Yoda fight with a lightsaber in the Attack of the Clones. He always seemed much more of a meditative, non-action Jedi. I feel like I would have been more impressed by his battle with Dooku if he hadn't had a lightsaber at all and had just peacefully sat there and blocked Dooku's attacks with the force.

My boyfriend ascribes to the theory that Rey is a reincarnated sort of Anakin. That the chosen one comes about every time there is an extreme imbalance in the force. Anakin was created because Plaguis (I know that is spelled wrong and don't care) was messing around with life and death. Now Rey was created maybe because of something Snoke is doing.

I agree about Yoda and the lightsaber - I mean, there are sith that don't use a lightsaber but rather the lightening (and really, they shouldn't have had Palaptine use one either) and Snope appears to have Kyber crystal for a ring instead of in a lightsaber - so having Yoda take a different tact would have been cool

I really hope thy don't go into the reincarnation rougte (either that Ray is Anikan or Snope is Pagueis or whatever). now, the next cycle of chosen ones, sure - just not the actual people
 
I really hope thy don't go into the reincarnation rougte (either that Ray is Anikan or Snope is Pagueis or whatever). now, the next cycle of chosen ones, sure - just not the actual people

I don't know if I agree with the theory, honestly I think it is too in depth for a SW movie.

But I think the theory is more of...not really a reincarnation but just the next in the line that gets to share the extreme force powers and such. Not sure if that makes sense.
 

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